My GF is an ICU nurse. Her hospital just recently moved to a completely new building, so the fortunately have a whole building available that they have already turned into the area where they plan to bed people being admitted for Covid-19. 4 entire floors dedicated.
Curious as an ICU nurse, who is she taking care of if not COVID19 patients? Just general ICU like auto accidents or other such things?
My GF splits her time between two departments... the Prenatal ICU (babies that are born way too early or have complications) and labor and delivery. For the last two weeks she’s been in NICU which is great because that def limits her exposure. This week she’s in labor and delivery which is more risky for her. Good news is they finally went to requiring n95 masks all day so that’s great. Before that they couldn’t wear one if they wanted to because of supply issues
This wasnt some guy. It was a report from the imperial college in london, and it led the way for trump and the UK changing there tone and taking this seriously. with lots of medical sources, not just some name and numbers you throw around.
The Imperial College team plugged infection and death rates from China/Korea/Italy into epidemic modeling software and ran a simulation: what happens if the US does absolutely nothing -- if we treat COVID-19 like the flu, go about our business, and let the virus take its course?
if we did nothing, 80% of us would have it, and 2.2 million would die from the disease alone, and another 2 million plus would die from not having ventilators, pushing the death numbers closer to 4 million, over the span of 3 months.
Thats 90 million deaths globally in 3-6 months.
now of course we are “social distancing” kind of, so that drops these numbers some, but at the point we are at now, if we dont go full lockdown, we will probably see closer to 1 million deaths. Our need for ventilators will be 8x the amount of ventilators we currently have if we current our current pace.
My GF is an ICU nurse. Her hospital just recently moved to a completely new building, so the fortunately have a whole building available that they have already turned into the area where they plan to bed people being admitted for Covid-19. 4 entire floors dedicated.
Curious as an ICU nurse, who is she taking care of if not COVID19 patients? Just general ICU like auto accidents or other such things?
My GF splits her time between two departments... the Prenatal ICU (babies that are born way too early or have complications) and labor and delivery. For the last two weeks she’s been in NICU which is great because that def limits her exposure. This week she’s in labor and delivery which is more risky for her. Good news is they finally went to requiring n95 masks all day so that’s great. Before that they couldn’t wear one if they wanted to because of supply issues
some accidents like that yes. but a lot of what they see are older people living out their last days. trying to make them as comfortable as possible before they die.
Shes still new though, so she doesn't 100% know what to expect going forward. She mostly took the job because she needs a year of experience to be accepted into a critical care nursing program. Her ultimate goal is to be an anesthetist.
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With the lack of unbiased data I don’t want to take conversations to the “what if”. We don’t even have a handle on what we have, so it seems silly to consider parallel worlds. I have some hardcore Democrat friend who wants to claim the current death toll is proof we have not been social distancing enough. Then here you are trying to give me stats that if we hadn’t social distanced then 3 million dead. It’s all a bit much. Let’s just discuss this in the world we live in which we still don’t have an idea of how bad (or not bad) this really is. Our current trajectory does not have us hitting 3 million
some accidents like that yes. but a lot of what they see are older people living out their last days. trying to make them as comfortable as possible before they die.
Shes still new though, so she doesn't 100% know what to expect going forward. She mostly took the job because she needs a year of experience to be accepted into a critical care nursing program. Her ultimate goal is to be an anesthetist.
Well I hope for your guys sake she doesn’t get moved to COVID19 sections as the need for medical staff increases. Unless she wants to be helping those people... there are many people that live to be on the front lines like that. I don’t personally but I’m selfish like that.
The Governor of NY has asked all nurses to fill out some sort of survey because they want to transfer them to NYC when things become completely unmanageable there. My GF is not filling it out even after repeated attempts and threats by the state gov to do so. I don’t blame her nor would I want her to go. She won’t go.
She doesn't want anything to do with it lmao. Its been a major cause of stress the last few weeks lol. To the point that i even told her that she should try to call her old job and decline the ICU position.
But she came to the decision that it will probably look good on her resume to start in the ICU during a pandemic lol. And ICU has always been where she wanted to work Its much more suited for. She is much better with handling 2 patients, which is your typical assignment in ICU, than say 10 patients, which is more along the lines of an ER.
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Smh. Please find a different source of reading material than buzzfeed. “They’ve never seen anything like this before”?? Apparently the Anonymous doctor in that quote hasn’t been practicing for all that long. During the H1N1 pandemic there were countless articles written about how decisions are being made as to who was given access to the ventilators they had and who was allowed to let die. Here in particular is the 272 page document that provides the guidelines for NYS ventilator access and who they decide to let die :
since no one here will read that link here is a great screen capture from it
Yes it’s terrible we have a shortage. And we likely always will during a pandemic because these things are costly and require regular maintenance. This shortage though is not unheard of. It happened in 2009 when 13,000 Americans died from H1N1... people were removed from ventilators in a lotto type of fashion and ended up dying as a result.
Ok then. How about this one? It's not hard to find all kinds of stories of the fucked up-ness happening in NYC. And I'm sure that's gonna spread out everywhere
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did you even read my post? It’s the same “fucked” up shit that happened last pandemic (H1N1 in 2009) and medical professionals are just following the law. It’s not new. It’s procedure based on reality. Even after the last pandemic where people died due to lack of ventilators they just updated the document
It literally says, "In his 40 years of medicine, Corwin said he's never seen this sort of response to a disease. Not during the AIDS pandemic. Not during H1N1."
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The level of freak out is unprecedented. Pulling people off of ventilators to give to other people they think have a better chance is well documented and practiced during H1N1 pandemic. The documented I listed exists for a reason. I know about that medical directive because my GF showed me the procedures they follow to take someone off ventilator to give to someone else
this discussion is just like getting into retarded pro-choice debates where they will say we should save all lives no matter what. And then when I bring up the fact (at least I’m N.Y.) the age of viability is 23 weeks and if the baby is born at 22 weeks 6 days, nurses literally let the baby die because that’s regulation... they say that’s not true. It’s not controversial in the medical community... it’s just fact. So is the rules for who gets ventilators and who doesn’t
I have anxiety so I'm always freaking out virus or not. I just think your thoughts on the whole thing are retarded. Maybe all the hospitals need to collapse for you to realize that lol
I have anxiety so I'm always freaking out virus or not. I just think your thoughts on the whole thing are retarded. Maybe all the hospitals need to collapse for you to realize that lol
Realize what? For sure some things I say are retarded though. Like not caring that people are dying from this pandemic. Not caring about flattening curve to save lives. I recognize I should care and it’s insensitive that I don’t but idk I just don’t. I think I was tolerant of saving lives a month ago but the longer this goes on the less tolerant I become. The longer this drags on the more I want real life back regardless of the death toll
anyways I hope you find ways to cope with your anxiety. Anxiety can really be a huge hinderance to enjoying life. I’m not saying it works but I take 5HTP to help manage mine and just tell myself “can’t worry about things that aren’t directly affecting me. Can’t worry about what if’s”. Everyone is different though and what helps me some may not do anything for others
I take 5HTP when I'm coming down on psychedelics. I didnt know people just took it without doing drugs the day before.
Yeah I take it daily with green root tea extract to help the absorption. As you probably know it’s a natural drug that gets converted in the body to tryptophan which then gets converted to serotonin. I’ve been told by others I live with a lot of anxiety even though I don’t feel it personally. They have also said they noticed change in my anxiety levels after taking it for a few weeks.
I’m kinda against mood altering pharmaceuticals however I’m okay with natural supplements which is what 5HTP is. The name is kinda jacked though. Sounds like it would be artificial
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The Imperial College team plugged infection and death rates from China/Korea/Italy into epidemic modeling software and ran a simulation: what happens if the US does absolutely nothing -- if we treat COVID-19 like the flu, go about our business, and let the virus take its course?
if we did nothing, 80% of us would have it, and 2.2 million would die from the disease alone, and another 2 million plus would die from not having ventilators, pushing the death numbers closer to 4 million, over the span of 3 months.
now of course we are “social distancing” kind of, so that drops these numbers some, but at the point we are at now, if we dont go full lockdown, we will probably see closer to 1 million deaths. Our need for ventilators will be 8x the amount of ventilators we currently have if we current our current pace.
Shes still new though, so she doesn't 100% know what to expect going forward. She mostly took the job because she needs a year of experience to be accepted into a critical care nursing program. Her ultimate goal is to be an anesthetist.
But she came to the decision that it will probably look good on her resume to start in the ICU during a pandemic lol. And ICU has always been where she wanted to work Its much more suited for. She is much better with handling 2 patients, which is your typical assignment in ICU, than say 10 patients, which is more along the lines of an ER.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/04/coronavirus-pandemic-earth-pollution-noise/609316/
Note - I’m not saying I support this article or concepts discussed. It’s just interesting
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kadiagoba/ventilator-shortage-new-york-hospitals-coronavirus?utm_source=dynamic&utm_campaign=bffbbuzzfeed&ref=bffbbuzzfeed
https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf
since no one here will read that link here is a great screen capture from it
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/04/03/coronavirus-inside-newyork-presbyterians-battle-against-covid-19/5111931002/
this discussion is just like getting into retarded pro-choice debates where they will say we should save all lives no matter what. And then when I bring up the fact (at least I’m N.Y.) the age of viability is 23 weeks and if the baby is born at 22 weeks 6 days, nurses literally let the baby die because that’s regulation... they say that’s not true. It’s not controversial in the medical community... it’s just fact. So is the rules for who gets ventilators and who doesn’t
anyways I hope you find ways to cope with your anxiety. Anxiety can really be a huge hinderance to enjoying life. I’m not saying it works but I take 5HTP to help manage mine and just tell myself “can’t worry about things that aren’t directly affecting me. Can’t worry about what if’s”. Everyone is different though and what helps me some may not do anything for others