I said my peace when it needed to be said. I was tired of just sitting back and letting it happen, so I made my opinion known.
Will it continue? Obviously. Will I leave? Probably not.
I was (am) more upset because I came here to learn more about music, not scrutiny of my relationship.
The same point can be made towards your gf couldn't it?
Explain..
People have attacked yalls relationship which made you very upset. As you say it made you upset because your relationship was being talked about more than music.
Are you annoyed at the amount of scrutiny your gf places on others instead of talking about music as well?
THIS. That is exactly my point. Well worded, Arlo.
yea tim so like i said opinions of what people say are now not allowed WELCOME TO THE NUMAYHEMFORUMS ENJOY YOUR STAY WHILE WE TAKE AWAY YOUR FREEDOM OF OPINION AND SPEECH
This is just taking it to far now.
It's not like you're gonna say "Nahh I hate this band" and then get banned for it. I mean, come on now
arlo, i would leave it alone because to me, that word is irrelevant because i know that im not one and i dont act as such
rob, shane is right, it will come to that but lets says someone disagrees with someone else on the subject of a band and ythey say 'are you fucking retarded? blahblahblah' thats what i mean. you cant even say that which is harmless words that we can no longer use on this forum
I said my peace when it needed to be said. I was tired of just sitting back and letting it happen, so I made my opinion known.
Will it continue? Obviously. Will I leave? Probably not.
I was (am) more upset because I came here to learn more about music, not scrutiny of my relationship.
The same point can be made towards your gf couldn't it?
Explain..
People have attacked yalls relationship which made you very upset. As you say it made you upset because your relationship was being talked about more than music.
Are you annoyed at the amount of scrutiny your gf places on others instead of talking about music as well?
Ah, I see what you're saying.
Yes and no. I'm annoyed because the majority of the stuff on this board isn't about music. Being as such, people comment on the conversations and go into them deeper and deeper and in different ways until things like what happened yesterday in the fail/owned thread occur. Bianca is not the only one who does this. Everyone does.
Our relationship is part of these discussions many times. But you can't tell me honestly that even if she and I never mentioned it on here that it wouldn't wind up on here. It's on Facebook.
when someone acts a certain way that most view as not acceptable they are going to be called out on it no matter how mean or harsh it is. I don't dislike Ellie but I do believe she acted like a slut and it was wrong. but I'm not going to harass her over it either. it's not my business.
Dayna just summed up my thoughts perfectly.
just because you disagree with how Ellie acts does not mean you need to call her out on it.
And it wasn't like you privately said to her (at least not to my knowledge. If you did then disregard this) "Hey Ellie, why do you do stuff like that? Ever think that maybe that's the wrong way to go about life?" or something like that, and then she disagreed, got pissed at you, you got pissed at her, and then shit exploded.
ya she'z such a self-riteous clown [-(
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On the Alex and Bianca situation, I have no problem with your dating stuff. I don't really see it as a relationship until you've met but that's me, not you, so don't let me tell you what is what. One problem I'm having is when something about the relationship gets thrown at Bianca, she can't take it but she'll throw attacks at other people and they just have to deal with it. Seems very hypocritical to me.
but i CAN take it which is what ive always done i dont try to silence you guys and of course i know that im gonna get others opinions on a long distance relationship that arent the same as mine if i put it out there heres the thing, i delt with it so other people have to deal with me calling them out on their shit like they do with mine
do you guys realize when Tim posts stuff about the forum 99% of the time it's something he talked to Mikey or another mod about? Tim is doing nothing to take over and this rule wasn't just Tim's fucking idea nor was anything else. learn to fucking read.
holy fuck you guys are so fucking paranoid. it's a fucking forum. the reason the rule was put in place was to get rid of excessive attacks on people using racial slur and shit. this doesn't mean you can't swear or say "fuck you I hate you" to someone or express your opinion.
it's when you get too personal and it turns into some giant fucking e-fight no one wants to read. if you want to fight with someone on the internet that fucking badly take it somewhere else where the rest of the forum doesn't have to sit and go through a million pages to find stuff that actually involves the thread.
a mod also said earlier in the thread that this rule doesn't affect 95% of the posting that goes on here. OH NO 5% IS ACTUALLY BEING MODERATED. everyone freaking out about this needs to calm the fuck down.
You're only saying that because you're one of the mod's ass buddies.
Now, would I want people spoken to privately by the mods or even banned each time they criticize our relationship? No, of course not. This is the internet for fuck sake!
Can I ask which mods are so butthurt they don't want to unban Erik? Cause I talked to 2 of them that said they didn't care, just needed to ask the others...
But as I said, it'll happen still. I wouldn't call me BUTTHURT exactly when I said that, just a little annoyed that it kept happening.
So the point that is trying to be made here is that, in the same way you don't want to have your personal lives (which have nothing to do with the forum) pulled apart and judged, others do not want that to happen to them, or watch people do that to each other.
The subject of free speech has been thrown around a LOT in this thread and bears explaining.
Firstly, just as an aside really, you should realize that this forum (any private forum actually) is not subject to the First Amendment. By definition, it is a non-public forum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_(legal) As such, the proprietors can regulate discussion, for the most part, as they see fit.
That said, consider this:
We're not trying to prevent you from expressing your opinions. You can have an opinion on the morality of pornography, prostitution, murder, dog fucking, and you can express those opinions freely.
Where it gets tricky is when you start extending those opinions into judgements about actual people, or even groups of people.
Just don't do it, we won't tolerate it, end of story.
Finally there have been retarded attempts present absurd contrivances that appear to violate the rule. These are straw man arguments at best. This is always going to be a judgement call whenever a rule like this is enforced, due to the unique ability of humans to insult each other in new and creative ways, or to find humor in what would normally appear to be an insult.
As I said right at the start of this thread, the intent of the rule is to curb EXTREME cases of hate, such as Bianca's toward Chew. If you don't do that, you're going to be fine. You can wilfully misinterpret the spirit of the rule if you like, but you'll still be wrong.
Can I ask which mods are so butthurt they don't want to unban Erik? Cause I talked to 2 of them that said they didn't care, just needed to ask the others...
I would rather have an Erik-less forum. He contributes to far more arguments and e-fights than he does actual discussions.
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rob, shane is right, it will come to that but lets says someone disagrees with someone else on the subject of a band and ythey say 'are you fucking retarded? blahblahblah'
thats what i mean. you cant even say that which is harmless words that we can no longer use on this forum
Yes and no. I'm annoyed because the majority of the stuff on this board isn't about music. Being as such, people comment on the conversations and go into them deeper and deeper and in different ways until things like what happened yesterday in the fail/owned thread occur. Bianca is not the only one who does this. Everyone does.
Our relationship is part of these discussions many times. But you can't tell me honestly that even if she and I never mentioned it on here that it wouldn't wind up on here. It's on Facebook.
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i dont try to silence you guys and of course i know that im gonna get others opinions on a long distance relationship that arent the same as mine if i put it out there
heres the thing, i delt with it so other people have to deal with me calling them out on their shit like they do with mine
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EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF!
how will ed survive?
The subject of free speech has been thrown around a LOT in this thread and bears explaining.
Firstly, just as an aside really, you should realize that this forum (any private forum actually) is not subject to the First Amendment. By definition, it is a non-public forum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_(legal)
As such, the proprietors can regulate discussion, for the most part, as they see fit.
That said, consider this:
We're not trying to prevent you from expressing your opinions. You can have an opinion on the morality of pornography, prostitution, murder, dog fucking, and you can express those opinions freely.
Where it gets tricky is when you start extending those opinions into judgements about actual people, or even groups of people.
Specifically, this rule forbids actual Defamation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
Just don't do it, we won't tolerate it, end of story.
Finally there have been retarded attempts present absurd contrivances that appear to violate the rule. These are straw man arguments at best. This is always going to be a judgement call whenever a rule like this is enforced, due to the unique ability of humans to insult each other in new and creative ways, or to find humor in what would normally appear to be an insult.
As I said right at the start of this thread, the intent of the rule is to curb EXTREME cases of hate, such as Bianca's toward Chew. If you don't do that, you're going to be fine. You can wilfully misinterpret the spirit of the rule if you like, but you'll still be wrong.
Say if he gets banned for something, that means banning the IP which in term bans me too. How is that fair?