Wow I did not think I would like it that much. Movie was fucking awesome. Enjoyed every and any change made. Phoenix killed it. Love it love it love it
Also, they were right about this movie triggering people with mental illness. As a smoker, every time Joker let his cigarette ash get to long and just let it fall instead of ashing it, I got PTSD.
Ok, after another discussion with a friend, and some deeper thinking. Im gonna take back some of what I said, because there are some comic book movies that exist that arent faithful to their comics that I really like (Kingsmen, Watchmen, or Atomic Blonde, for example). And there are a lot I dont like that much because they deviate TOO much (Kick Ass, V For Vendetta).
I guess its not the fact that its comic innaccurate to a T (there's elements of that for sure, and I think as a whole comic book movies are better when they relate to the lore of their source material and embrace their comic bookiness), but its really just I dont like the reinterpretation/adaptions they went with. So yea....
I mean, Im not full of shit. These interpretations arent comic accurate. And I still prefer them to be comic accurate. And that plays into why I dont like them. But Im just realizing its not the sole thing that makes or break certain comic book movies.
I actually really enjoyed the deviation from the comics on this one. I thought a "real" story was better than like a vat of acid or some shit like that. Plus, I give more leniency to characters like Joker because there's like hundreds of iterations. Also, I know a big thing of yours was saying that they said they didn't care about the comics but that's also not true. I did some research on it after I saw it (which I do after every movie I see because I get interested in the creative process and how it came to be). What they said exactly was that they wanted to make a stand alone and focus more on character study. Not that they hate the comics, but nobody involved really grew up reading them so they figured why try to replicate something they were completely uneducated on. And as a matter of fact, the director actually read and enjoyed Killing Joke and obviously took some elements from that but they said at their core, they just wanted to make a good character study more than a straight up comic flick because those films have been flooding the market for a decade. Me personally, I see nothing wrong with that. Also, I couldn't find a scrap of evidence of them talking shit about comic book fans.
And stuff like this: "Without Batman to play off, the reason for Joker’s existence as a protagonist in Phillips’s film is vague at best. The narrative tracks his evolution into an evil creature, providing a revamped and simplistic origin story for a figure who has only ever existed as a distorted mirror image of the Caped Crusader. Even when compared with Moore and Bolland’s comic, Joker is a bitter and humorless work, an attempt to add gravitas to a character who typically hasn’t stood for anything broadly metaphorical"
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I guess its not the fact that its comic innaccurate to a T (there's elements of that for sure, and I think as a whole comic book movies are better when they relate to the lore of their source material and embrace their comic bookiness), but its really just I dont like the reinterpretation/adaptions they went with. So yea....
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2478544/joker-star-says-comic-book-movies-are-for-grown-male-nerd-childs
https://www.inverse.com/amp/article/57436-joker-spoilers-director-says-the-joaquin-phoenix-movie-wont-look-like-a-batman-comic
https://io9.gizmodo.com/jokers-todd-phillips-says-not-to-expect-anything-from-t-1836184891
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/todd-phillips-joker-backlash-not-following-comics-1202156256/amp/
And stuff like this:
"Without Batman to play off, the reason for Joker’s existence as a protagonist in Phillips’s film is vague at best. The narrative tracks his evolution into an evil creature, providing a revamped and simplistic origin story for a figure who has only ever existed as a distorted mirror image of the Caped Crusader. Even when compared with Moore and Bolland’s comic, Joker is a bitter and humorless work, an attempt to add gravitas to a character who typically hasn’t stood for anything broadly metaphorical"
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/10/killing-joke-and-joker/599512/
Joker isnt even remotely the same character. Id be much more interested if they called it something else.