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  • TimTim Posts: 2,441 admin
    160kph, not your yankee miles.
    there are some who call me... tim?
  • Alec29Alec29 Posts: 3,864 juggalo
    We have two completely different versions of the American way, Shane. I thinke people should work for what they get and then get to keep it and not pay for someone else who, for whatever reason, ain't doing it for themselves. The healthcare package will be at the very least changed signifigantly before it goes into effect. The general population just isn't interested in paying for their neighbors healthcare. I don't have a problem with everyone having it. I have a problem with me having to pay for someone else.
  • TimTim Posts: 2,441 admin
    I don't have a problem with everyone having it. I have a problem with me having to pay for someone else.
    Well said.
    there are some who call me... tim?
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    the main problem with that is our road conditions in the US that were never designed to support speeds that high. a highway with speeds that high would need to have turns be banked, most are not. a lot of Highways in the northeast are quite winding, like route 80 through my hometown highways speed limit is 50 b/c its like non stop S curves. then you have high traffic levels. DC belt way anyone? its good on paper but it would cause thousands of deaths a months
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    We have two completely different versions of the American way, Shane. I thinke people should work for what they get and then get to keep it and not pay for someone else who, for whatever reason, ain't doing it for themselves. The healthcare package will be at the very least changed signifigantly before it goes into effect. The general population just isn't interested in paying for their neighbors healthcare. I don't have a problem with everyone having it. I have a problem with me having to pay for someone else.
    you may not but your party is just fine and dandy having 50 million people without access to decent healthcare. and unless the repubs get a filibuster proof super majority in the senate, that bill isn't going anywhere
  • Shanez_WifeShanez_Wife Posts: 2,008 just the tip
    We have two completely different versions of the American way, Shane. I thinke people should work for what they get and then get to keep it and not pay for someone else who, for whatever reason, ain't doing it for themselves. The healthcare package will be at the very least changed signifigantly before it goes into effect. The general population just isn't interested in paying for their neighbors healthcare. I don't have a problem with everyone having it. I have a problem with me having to pay for someone else.
    you may not but your party is just fine and dandy having 50 million people without access to decent healthcare. and unless the repubs get a filibuster proof super majority in the senate, that bill isn't going anywhere
    I have a damn problem w/ not walking and w/out any docs helping me because I don't have insurance and no insurance taking me because I have a "prior condition" when I moved and didn't have the 6 months in to get the health insurance at my job before injury. So yea, how could helping me walk effect someone so greatly such as the owner of my store who makes a good $3 mil profit a year and then some when it would cost him money that he won't even spent while he's alive anyways.
  • Alec29Alec29 Posts: 3,864 juggalo
    Till 2012 Shane. That's when the Dems will get another ass-beating. Obama's approval rating is only at 34% now as compared to 64% when first elected. People in this country are tired of not having enough jobs. They are tired of the economy being stagnant. They are tire of all the empty promises that were made in regards to turning the economic situation around. Our economy has not gotten any better for tthe great majority of our country. It's not going to when Obama starts to add the new governmental agencies needed to enforce his healthcare package either (another broken promise, "We will not grow government", has to be a lie if he's going to enforce the package). We were promised change and the only thing that has changed is the man in office.
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    even if obama loses, your chances of a super majority in the senate are slim, they can still kill the repeal as long as that doesn't happen
  • Shanez_WifeShanez_Wife Posts: 2,008 just the tip
    Why can't there just be a healthcare tax or just higher federal taxes to include it? It'd be taken out of our checks before we even see it and it means a healthier living for all.
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    Why can't there just be a healthcare tax or just higher federal taxes to include it? It'd be taken out of our checks before we even see it and it means a healthier living for all.
    cause the Republicans what the poor to stay sick and uneducated
  • TimTim Posts: 2,441 admin
    Why can't there just be a healthcare tax or just higher federal taxes to include it? It'd be taken out of our checks before we even see it and it means a healthier living for all.
    >: | WHY YOU SAY THIS
    there are some who call me... tim?
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    Why can't there just be a healthcare tax or just higher federal taxes to include it? It'd be taken out of our checks before we even see it and it means a healthier living for all.
    >: | WHY YOU SAY THIS
    idk, cause it works for a lot of country's maybe?
  • Shanez_WifeShanez_Wife Posts: 2,008 just the tip
    Why can't there just be a healthcare tax or just higher federal taxes to include it? It'd be taken out of our checks before we even see it and it means a healthier living for all.
    >: | WHY YOU SAY THIS
    Tim, it's because I've been on crutches for 2 years because no neuroligist will see me because I would have to make payment plans to them and I don't "make enough". Yea, I'm 24 and lost my ability to walk w/out assistance and am at the mercy of my employer because no one will higher me at all because I'm "handicapped" when before my problem, I've been offered management at every job I've worked for and then some.

  • Alec29Alec29 Posts: 3,864 juggalo
    No argument there, Shane. The problem with the healthcare package is that those of us who already have insurance will be forced to pay higher rates. Those that do not have insurance will be put into a pool. The insurance companies will be required by law to pick up a certain percentage of those in the pool. Bear in mind these people already can't afford health insurance so they won't be able to pay a proper premium. Who do you think is going to make up the difference? Those of us with insurance already. We've already gotten federal paperwork about this here at work(I work for an insurance company). The plan will send this country into socialism. That's just a breath away from rewriting the US Constitution to reflect that we are no longer a Democratic society.
  • Alec29Alec29 Posts: 3,864 juggalo
    Why can't there just be a healthcare tax or just higher federal taxes to include it? It'd be taken out of our checks before we even see it and it means a healthier living for all.

    Let me repeat myself. I like you, Judy. I'm not responsible for your healthcare though. I have a problem with paying a higher tax so that you can have insurance.
  • Shanez_WifeShanez_Wife Posts: 2,008 just the tip
    No argument there, Shane. The problem with the healthcare package is that those of us who already have insurance will be forced to pay higher rates. Those that do not have insurance will be put into a pool. The insurance companies will be required by law to pick up a certain percentage of those in the pool. Bear in mind these people already can't afford health insurance so they won't be able to pay a proper premium. Who do you think is going to make up the difference? Those of us with insurance already. We've already gotten federal paperwork about this here at work(I work for an insurance company). The plan will send this country into socialism. That's just a breath away from rewriting the US Constitution to reflect that we are no longer a Democratic society.
    Ok, what if you didn't have health insurance for any given reason and had to live a very difficult life because of lack of insurance even though you'd be willing to give just about anything to have a normal life, would you change your opinion? Or is your opinion based on greed?

  • Shanez_WifeShanez_Wife Posts: 2,008 just the tip
    I'm not stating for the rich to pay for it all, I'm stating for everyone to pay a portion of their paycheck. Take away insurance companies as a whole and just do a tax that way everyone receives the same healthcare.
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    edited March 2011
    No argument there, Shane. The problem with the healthcare package is that those of us who already have insurance will be forced to pay higher rates. Those that do not have insurance will be put into a pool. The insurance companies will be required by law to pick up a certain percentage of those in the pool. Bear in mind these people already can't afford health insurance so they won't be able to pay a proper premium. Who do you think is going to make up the difference? Those of us with insurance already. We've already gotten federal paperwork about this here at work(I work for an insurance company). The plan will send this country into socialism. That's just a breath away from rewriting the US Constitution to reflect that we are no longer a Democratic society.
    The free market has failed if you haven't noticed and something needs to be done now. the private sector couldn't give 2 shits if 50 million go without healthcare. the problem is consuming our entire nation and the Government is the only one who can do anything about. of coarse its not perfect and its gonna hurt, any change does, but this is the only hope millions of people ( my wife included) have of living a better life.
  • Alec29Alec29 Posts: 3,864 juggalo
    My opinion is based soley on my sense of self-worth. I have never and will never ask for any assistance with my finances, insurance, living arraingments, or employment. I have worked for and earned everything I have. I want to keep it for myself and my family. I don't have a problem with you having insurance at all. I think you should have it and deserve it. I am not willing to pay for it. Fedzilla can find another way to give it to you.
  • Alec29Alec29 Posts: 3,864 juggalo
    I'm not stating for the rich to pay for it all, I'm stating for everyone to pay a portion of their paycheck. Take away insurance companies as a whole and just do a tax that way everyone receives the same healthcare.

    Why do you want me to be unemployed, Judy? What you're really saying is you don't want to pay for it and would much rather someone else do it. That is not my version of America.
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