I am in no way, shape nor form condoning someone charging (if that was indeed the case) a band member. I do think at that point, you are at your own risk and if a band member injures you, it's your own damn fault. You should know better as an attendee of a show. The band are entitled to self defense in the event security fails. In the heat of the moment, I'm sure most people aren't going to consider what is the most mellow way to handle to this to ensure this fan doesn't get annihilated in the end.
Now, for me, the "Dime rule" as I will call it here should not be applied. It carries a discriminatory approach to it. Why are we allowing one bad apple to ruin the rest? That event happened how long ago? We have come a long way since then to ensure band and crowd safety. Sure, we don't know the intentions of the fan at the center of this investigation. I've been to enough shows (D.I.Y and bigger shows) where I've seen fans attempt to approach (charge) a singer/band member to just sneak a quick high five, hug, grab the mic to sing.. in essence all things that weren't going to harm a band member. We could argue either way, but in the end.. we DON'T know. Yes, it is wise to be cautious and aware of whats going on around you, especially while performing but with the "Dime rule", we are assuming the worst is going to happen. One isolated incident years ago shouldn't equate to "If A then B" (In this case A is a fan getting on stage and B is therefore he's going to Dimebag my ass). For me, as aforementioned, it's discriminatory against the fans to carry this mentality. All fans that get on stage aren't going to do harm. Just like all people who look Middle Eastern on my next flight who stand up and walk around during the flight aren't about to recreate 9/11 (If I take the negative "If A then B" approach, then I should be crying for flight security to subdue them because they happen to get up too much and make me uncomfortable and one past event years ago means its gonna happen again). Much like how the next guy from the Military who likes metal at a show and gets a little too rowdy isn't going to pull out a gun and kill people.
Again, I am not condoning what this fan reportedly did. I just don't think the "Randy is innocent because this guy could have been Nathan Gale part 2!" is a valid justification. We should be past that by now.
alright i see what your saying, but i believe the band memebers should be able to defend themselve because they dont know what said fans intent is. i realize that many old"er" punk band used to invite their fans on stage to party with them. unfortunaly though now the band has to think twice because their safety could be in jeopardy and unfortuneatly these days they would probably also be responsible for any fans that they invited on stage. obvioulsy the biggest problem here is why didnt security stop the fan and if its true that this happened on the third time he charged the stage part of the blame has to fall upon security/the venue because that fan should have been ejected the first time it happened.
sorry about spelling mistakes and i would like to discuss this more and try to get my point across better but its home time and a long weekend and HAPPY CANADA DAY! drink beer, smoke weed and slay a beaver!!!
Why are we allowing one bad apple to ruin the rest?
because that one bad apple cost peoples lives....if i was a band member i would have it in the back of my mind every time i stepped on stage that if someone came up there after me i might have to defend myself....thats just how i would feel....i get what you are saying but i would be paranoid about it
I agree with Adam. If you're going to be concerned that someone might shoot you just because they walked on stage, then you should be scared someone walking past you on the sidewalk is going to pull a gun and shoot you. Or someone in line for a roller coaster will do it. Anyone, at any time, could be about to pull a gun and kill another person, for no reason. Just because they're jumping onto a stage doesn't mean they're going to any more than a random encounter elsewhere in public.
And really, it would be easier to shoot a band member from the crowd. You'd be hidden by the other people all around you, and you wouldn't have to worry about making your way past security. So if someone in a band is truly afraid for their safety while performing, they need to find a new profession.
I agree with Adam. If you're going to be concerned that someone might shoot you just because they walked on stage, then you should be scared someone walking past you on the sidewalk is going to pull a gun and shoot you. Or someone in line for a roller coaster will do it. Anyone, at any time, could be about to pull a gun and kill another person, for no reason. Just because they're jumping onto a stage doesn't mean they're going to any more than a random encounter elsewhere in public.
And really, it would be easier to shoot a band member from the crowd. You'd be hidden by the other people all around you, and you wouldn't have to worry about making your way past security. So if someone in a band is truly afraid for their safety while performing, they need to find a new profession.
yeah you shouldn't walk around every day being afraid of it....but if someone jumps on stage i could see throwing down over it lol
yes, lets shoot from the crowd when everyone is moving and jumping that should make me hit my target, which is also moving -_-
i swear, you people 8-|
You've obviosuly never shot a gun...... It's not that hard to hit a target from ten feet away, even if other people are jostling you.
If somene has not exhibited malicious intent, then there is no self-defense claim. If all the guy did was get on stage, and come near Randy, then there is no reason for beating him to death. If he was afraid, he should have walked away from the guy, not engaged him.
Why's everyone assuming these fags will shoot someone onstage? I get the whole Dimebag thing but you can also stab someone
True. But in that case, he'd have to actually pull out a knife, which would make it obvious. He'd have to be in arms' range, with a knife in his hand to do damage. Easy to run from. And makes self-defense obvious, if you choose to engage instead.
Why's everyone assuming these fags will shoot someone onstage? I get the whole Dimebag thing but you can also stab someone
True. But in that case, he'd have to actually pull out a knife, which would make it obvious. He'd have to be in arms' range, with a knife in his hand to do damage. Easy to run from. And makes self-defense obvious, if you choose to engage instead.
If he was close enough to Randy for him to push him off stage, hitting the guys head this guy could have pulled out a knife and stabbed him if he wanted. The dude jumped on stage three times..I would have thought he'd learn he shouldn't do that after security escorted him off the first time. He most def could have had a knife somewhere, I know I wouldn't have taken that chance
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obvioulsy the biggest problem here is why didnt security stop the fan and if its true that this happened on the third time he charged the stage part of the blame has to fall upon security/the venue because that fan should have been ejected the first time it happened.
sorry about spelling mistakes and i would like to discuss this more and try to get my point across better but its home time and a long weekend and HAPPY CANADA DAY! drink beer, smoke weed and slay a beaver!!!
And really, it would be easier to shoot a band member from the crowd. You'd be hidden by the other people all around you, and you wouldn't have to worry about making your way past security. So if someone in a band is truly afraid for their safety while performing, they need to find a new profession.
that should make me hit my target, which is also moving -_-
i swear, you people 8-|
yeah you shouldn't walk around every day being afraid of it....but if someone jumps on stage i could see throwing down over it lol
http://www.metalsucks.net/2012/06/29/randy-blythe-faces-5-10-years-in-prison-official-statement-from-publicist/
If somene has not exhibited malicious intent, then there is no self-defense claim. If all the guy did was get on stage, and come near Randy, then there is no reason for beating him to death. If he was afraid, he should have walked away from the guy, not engaged him.