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  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 58,036 spicy boy
    edited August 2016
    dranyam said:
    How can you consider maybe three people musical geniuses.

    and then one of them is Devon Townsend :|

    fuck all 4 members of tool are more geniuses than he is.

    just because of the word genius does not mean it has to be an exclusive club. I'm not gonna argue for or against PND and you really should either since you don't know the material. It's not an exclusive club man.

    thats like saying Steve jobs and bill gates are the only technology geniuses ever. 
    Tool play one style of music. Prog grunge. They dont produce. They dont have passion. They ride off their legacy and plebs who think because they dont just play in 4/4 their music is more than radio rock. 

    Devin Townsend has been producing and engineering his own shit since he went solo. He writes all of his music. And he has never had any formal training, and doesnt understand music theory. Yet he is one of the best song writers, vocalists, and guitarists in modern music. He plays and has entire albums of extreme metal, rock, pop, electronic, punk, country, blues, funk, prog metal, ambient, and noise. Putting his best effort and all his passion into every release. That is the difference. 

    I also mentioned maudlin of the Well, who combine jazz, classical, and experimental with metal to write songs and create compositions that dont sound like anybody else. 

    Prince is a literal music genius in that he had doctorates in a shit ton of music stuff. He was a master musician, and could literally play anything that he wanted to with minimal effort. 
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  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 58,036 spicy boy
    slap said:
    Yeah when you start making that shit objective it's whack because you only know such a small amount of music. If you can only name 3 musical geniuses, how are you gonna consider some guys from relatively obscure metal bands to be geniuses but not any classical music composers who shit on those dudes as far as all your parameters go? almost scientifically. it's a stupid argument to make
    I should have said modern pop music. Obviously classical composers are much more the geniuses than anything we get in pop music today
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  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 58,036 spicy boy
    dranyam said:
    Yea I saw it the other day. Reminded me off a Duckman clip. The parody of yesterday is now the reality of today. 
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  • MenAreTrashMenAreTrash Posts: 27,667 spicy boy
    but that's a shitty attitude too. I don't try to separate "classical" music from the rest of music. as far as i'm concerned, it's all fucking music. it just means there's lots of people that can be considered geniuses because music is so fucking vast.
  • MenAreTrashMenAreTrash Posts: 27,667 spicy boy
    dranyam said:
    I don't see anything wrong with this so long as they're not going through old literature and changing it for like new editions or something. as long as it's just for textbooks and the language school officials use, i think it's a great idea. 
  • EpisodeEpisode Posts: 32,049 destroyer of motherfuckers
    How the fuck do you know Tool don't put passion in their music? I rip on em cause it gets Todd and Rex irate and it's funny lmao but they're talented ass dudes and it can't be denied. And if anything they seem like they might be one of those bands that put TOO much passion in their music hence the massive delay on a new album. Never satisfied. I know as far as my own records, all my songs are like my children. How you know they don't feel the exact same? You bein extremely ignorant bout this all the way around.
  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 58,036 spicy boy
    slap said:
    but that's a shitty attitude too. I don't try to separate "classical" music from the rest of music. as far as i'm concerned, it's all fucking music. it just means there's lots of people that can be considered geniuses because music is so fucking vast.
    Classical music is so different than modern music though. They arent fair comparrisons. 
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  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 58,036 spicy boy
    edited August 2016
    slap said:
    dranyam said:
    I don't see anything wrong with this so long as they're not going through old literature and changing it for like new editions or something. as long as it's just for textbooks and the language school officials use, i think it's a great idea. 
    Are you fucking kidding? You dont see anything wrong with this? Its petty. Resgressive as fuck. 

    Muh words hurt. 
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  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 58,036 spicy boy
    How the fuck do you know Tool don't put passion in their music? I rip on em cause it gets Todd and Rex irate and it's funny lmao but they're talented ass dudes and it can't be denied. And if anything they seem like they might be one of those bands that put TOO much passion in their music hence the massive delay on a new album. Never satisfied. I know as far as my own records, all my songs are like my children. How you know they don't feel the exact same? You bein extremely ignorant bout this all the way around.
    Ok. James Keenan is an asshat. He doesnt give a fuck about it. Maybe the rest of the band does. But it doesnt change the fact their music isnt anything special. 
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  • MenAreTrashMenAreTrash Posts: 27,667 spicy boy
    edited August 2016
    slap said:
    but that's a shitty attitude too. I don't try to separate "classical" music from the rest of music. as far as i'm concerned, it's all fucking music. it just means there's lots of people that can be considered geniuses because music is so fucking vast.
    Classical music is so different than modern music though. They arent fair comparrisons. 
    exactly. rock music and rnb are super different, so there's no need to compare. somebody can be a musical genius because they're so raw at one style of music, or they're great composers in multiples styles, or maybe they just super unorthodox, even if the music isn't conventionally good aka ahead of its time. it's all relative. 
  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 58,036 spicy boy
    slap said:
    slap said:
    but that's a shitty attitude too. I don't try to separate "classical" music from the rest of music. as far as i'm concerned, it's all fucking music. it just means there's lots of people that can be considered geniuses because music is so fucking vast.
    Classical music is so different than modern music though. They arent fair comparrisons. 
    exactly. rock music and rnb are super different, so there's no need to compare. somebody can be a musical genius because they're so raw at one style of music, or they're great composers in multiples styles, or maybe they just super unorthodox, even if the music isn't conventionally good aka ahead of its time. it's all relative. 
    Agree to disagree
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  • MenAreTrashMenAreTrash Posts: 27,667 spicy boy
    edited August 2016
    slap said:
    dranyam said:
    I don't see anything wrong with this so long as they're not going through old literature and changing it for like new editions or something. as long as it's just for textbooks and the language school officials use, i think it's a great idea. 
    Are you fucking kidding? You dont see anything wrong with this? Its petty. Resgressive as fuck. 

    Muh words hurt. 
    nah dude you're fucking paranoid. all they're doing is making shit gender neutral. why is that bad? it's progress if anything. there's no need to gender words when the gender of the people doesn't matter.
  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 58,036 spicy boy
    Dime said:
    Tbh MC, and I've come to this conclusion by reading your not so strong "genius" argument, it seems like you're only arguing because you don't like what Erik is listening to. 
    Nah. There are a lot of "genius" musicians I dont agree should be called geniuses. Even ones I like. Like Mikael Akerfeldt. 
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  • MenAreTrashMenAreTrash Posts: 27,667 spicy boy
    slap said:
    slap said:
    but that's a shitty attitude too. I don't try to separate "classical" music from the rest of music. as far as i'm concerned, it's all fucking music. it just means there's lots of people that can be considered geniuses because music is so fucking vast.
    Classical music is so different than modern music though. They arent fair comparrisons. 
    exactly. rock music and rnb are super different, so there's no need to compare. somebody can be a musical genius because they're so raw at one style of music, or they're great composers in multiples styles, or maybe they just super unorthodox, even if the music isn't conventionally good aka ahead of its time. it's all relative. 
    Agree to disagree
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  • EpisodeEpisode Posts: 32,049 destroyer of motherfuckers
    At the very least this is the first argument on here in a long time that's actually bout music on a "music forum".
  • MetalCoresadesMetalCoresades Posts: 58,036 spicy boy
    slap said:
    slap said:
    dranyam said:
    I don't see anything wrong with this so long as they're not going through old literature and changing it for like new editions or something. as long as it's just for textbooks and the language school officials use, i think it's a great idea. 
    Are you fucking kidding? You dont see anything wrong with this? Its petty. Resgressive as fuck. 

    Muh words hurt. 
    nah dude you're fucking paranoid. all they're doing is making shit gender neutral. why is that bad? it's progress if anything. there's no need to gender words when the gender of the people doesn't matter.
    Gender neutral is not progress. Its homogoneous. Fuck that. I dont prescribe to that SJW "gender is irrelevant" bullshit in the first place, but when it comes to words youre reaching. "Oh no he sad mankind instead of humankind Im so offended". Get over yourself you snowflake pussy. There are entire languages built around gendering. Should spanish and french completely change their languages to appeal to these irrational cunts? Fuck no. 

    I dont want a neutral homogenous world. I hate that identity politics is king right now. 
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  • EpisodeEpisode Posts: 32,049 destroyer of motherfuckers
    Triggered. Here we go. :-|
  • MenAreTrashMenAreTrash Posts: 27,667 spicy boy
    edited August 2016
    slap said:
    slap said:
    dranyam said:
    I don't see anything wrong with this so long as they're not going through old literature and changing it for like new editions or something. as long as it's just for textbooks and the language school officials use, i think it's a great idea. 
    Are you fucking kidding? You dont see anything wrong with this? Its petty. Resgressive as fuck. 

    Muh words hurt. 
    nah dude you're fucking paranoid. all they're doing is making shit gender neutral. why is that bad? it's progress if anything. there's no need to gender words when the gender of the people doesn't matter.
    Gender neutral is not progress. Its homogoneous. Fuck that. I dont prescribe to that SJW "gender is irrelevant" bullshit in the first place, but when it comes to words youre reaching. "Oh no he sad mankind instead of humankind Im so offended". Get over yourself you snowflake pussy. There are entire languages built around gendering. Should spanish and french completely change their languages to appeal to these irrational cunts? Fuck no. 

    I dont want a neutral homogenous world. I hate that identity politics is king right now. 
    if one of the things that pisses you off most in life is that universities would rather subliminally teach people to use "postal worker" instead of "mailman", you need to look up. there are some times I agree that language policing can get really stupid, but in this case that's all that's really happening. 
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