Rams reached agreement with former Falcons running back Jerious Norwood
I didn't even know he was sill in the league. He fell out after Turner came around. If I remember right.. Norwood and Dunn used to split duties before the Turner era.
Oh my god my head hurts. Brady is a product of the system but Drew Brees isn't? He's played with some pretty damn good players and offensive minded coaches too.
Michael Vick and Tony Romo are the complete opposite of Brady. They are given loads of talent to work with but can't deliver when the pressure is on. The only quarterback I can understand being placed ahead of Brady is Peyton Manning.
Dismissing Brady as a system quarterback does not explain what happened in 2001. Brady was a second year QB who inherited a 5-11 team from the previous year and a team that started the year 0-2. Bill Belichick was a sub-.500 head coach with Cleveland and was already off to an unremarkable start in New England when Drew Bledsoe got hurt. The Patriots finished the regular season 11-5 and won the Super Bowl. What changed? The quarterback. Also, like I said before, two of the three Super Bowl wins New England got were a direct result of Tom Brady leading his team down the field in the final minutes for a winning score. You know who else used to do that shit? Joe Montana. He's a pretty good QB, I'd say, and no one questions his leadership or calls him a product of Bill Walsh or George Seifert being awesome head coaches. Brady will always get shit on because of the Tom Brady rule and the phantom tuck rule in the playoff game against Oakland, but neither of those are his fault. As for the Super Bowl he didn't win, the Giants' defense played the game of their lives that day. Tom Brady is a Hall-of-Fame lock, one of the best 5 players in the NFL today, and at the very least one of the top 5 quarterbacks of all time. Calling him a system quarterback sells him short on his accuracy, his pocket presence, and his intangibles. Matt Cassel had a great year in Brady's place, sure, but last time I checked that was only a year removed from the most prolific offense in NFL history. They still had Randy Moss. They still had Josh McDaniels. At that point they DID have talent to surround Brady. My contention is when Brady won his three Super Bowls, they did not have nearly the amount of offensive firepower they did in 2007-2008, and even then, that was not a result of Belichick at all.
damn david harris signed an extension...i was hoping the lions could get him in FA next year or something lol
We have our linebackers set now. <_>
jay mad
No, I just couldn't read all that crap and not say something lol. I couldn't disagree more with the Brady is a system QB argument. If that's true, pretty much every good QB I can think of in the NFL today is a system quarterback.
Good job Jay. The proof is there on why Brady is one of the best QBs in the NFL, but it seems like in Wakes world it doesn't exist and can't be proven. Jay just gave large enough proof on why Brady is the best in the league and why wake is a retard.
Wake or anyone who disagrees isn't a retard, I just have a really hard time getting behind that argument. And then I see QBs like Romo and Vick getting placed ahead of him? The last page or so of this thread made me go ~X(
Wake or anyone who disagrees isn't a retard, I just have a really hard time getting behind that argument. And then I see QBs like Romo and Vick getting placed ahead of him? The last page or so of this thread made me go ~X(
Also, Satan shit on the Tigers...... [-(
You are to nice Jay. I know your true feelings you pansy.
Oh my god my head hurts. Brady is a product of the system but Drew Brees isn't? He's played with some pretty damn good players and offensive minded coaches too.
Michael Vick and Tony Romo are the complete opposite of Brady. They are given loads of talent to work with but can't deliver when the pressure is on. The only quarterback I can understand being placed ahead of Brady is Peyton Manning.
Dismissing Brady as a system quarterback does not explain what happened in 2001. Brady was a second year QB who inherited a 5-11 team from the previous year and a team that started the year 0-2. Bill Belichick was a sub-.500 head coach with Cleveland and was already off to an unremarkable start in New England when Drew Bledsoe got hurt. The Patriots finished the regular season 11-5 and won the Super Bowl. What changed? The quarterback. Also, like I said before, two of the three Super Bowl wins New England got were a direct result of Tom Brady leading his team down the field in the final minutes for a winning score. You know who else used to do that shit? Joe Montana. He's a pretty good QB, I'd say, and no one questions his leadership or calls him a product of Bill Walsh or George Seifert being awesome head coaches. Brady will always get shit on because of the Tom Brady rule and the phantom tuck rule in the playoff game against Oakland, but neither of those are his fault. As for the Super Bowl he didn't win, the Giants' defense played the game of their lives that day. Tom Brady is a Hall-of-Fame lock, one of the best 5 players in the NFL today, and at the very least one of the top 5 quarterbacks of all time. Calling him a system quarterback sells him short on his accuracy, his pocket presence, and his intangibles. Matt Cassel had a great year in Brady's place, sure, but last time I checked that was only a year removed from the most prolific offense in NFL history. They still had Randy Moss. They still had Josh McDaniels. At that point they DID have talent to surround Brady. My contention is when Brady won his three Super Bowls, they did not have nearly the amount of offensive firepower they did in 2007-2008, and even then, that was not a result of Belichick at all.
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Wine, why did the Niners let Spikes and Lawson get away? They seem to have gotten worse, not better, since free agency began....
Definitely. Lawson was expendable. Smith was taking his job 100% this year anyway. Spikes, however, was not. He and Willis had a thing going on, and it sort of sucks not seeing that tandem be on the roster this year. NaVarro Bowman will be taking his job, and although the team is extremely high on him, I am not. He was poor in his time last year.
I'm more concerned about NT and Corner now. The secondary has become even more swiss cheese than it already was...
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Bill Belichick was a sub-.500 head coach with Cleveland and was already off to an unremarkable start in New England when Drew Bledsoe got hurt.
You made quite a few excellent points. Well done. I almost dont even want to respond.
As long as I have been alive, the browns have to be the most awful team in the NFL. before 2000's I would have said the seahawks and the browns, but the seahawks fixed that... Honestly I don't think any coach could turn that team around.
And Belchick first year as coach for NE was 2000. I wouldnt expect any coach to turn around a team in his first year. 2001 was a great draft year for NE picking up Matt Light and Richard Seymour, perhaps that had something to do with their surge that season?
Anyways, I admit that you have a good argument about Brady coming in and the team instantly becoming much better. Can you say NE wouldnt have had the same record if Bledsoe had not been hurt? You can, but it would just be speculation. My thoughts are the NFL is more of a team sport then any one player. The team as a whole got better that year, and i suspect that it was because Belchick had a year under his belt and had started getting his team moving the way he wanted it. And about starting 0-2, The Jets were a great team that year....
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I really wish I knew how their QB situation was going to work out.
Michael Vick and Tony Romo are the complete opposite of Brady. They are given loads of talent to work with but can't deliver when the pressure is on. The only quarterback I can understand being placed ahead of Brady is Peyton Manning.
Dismissing Brady as a system quarterback does not explain what happened in 2001. Brady was a second year QB who inherited a 5-11 team from the previous year and a team that started the year 0-2. Bill Belichick was a sub-.500 head coach with Cleveland and was already off to an unremarkable start in New England when Drew Bledsoe got hurt. The Patriots finished the regular season 11-5 and won the Super Bowl. What changed? The quarterback. Also, like I said before, two of the three Super Bowl wins New England got were a direct result of Tom Brady leading his team down the field in the final minutes for a winning score. You know who else used to do that shit? Joe Montana. He's a pretty good QB, I'd say, and no one questions his leadership or calls him a product of Bill Walsh or George Seifert being awesome head coaches. Brady will always get shit on because of the Tom Brady rule and the phantom tuck rule in the playoff game against Oakland, but neither of those are his fault. As for the Super Bowl he didn't win, the Giants' defense played the game of their lives that day. Tom Brady is a Hall-of-Fame lock, one of the best 5 players in the NFL today, and at the very least one of the top 5 quarterbacks of all time. Calling him a system quarterback sells him short on his accuracy, his pocket presence, and his intangibles. Matt Cassel had a great year in Brady's place, sure, but last time I checked that was only a year removed from the most prolific offense in NFL history. They still had Randy Moss. They still had Josh McDaniels. At that point they DID have talent to surround Brady. My contention is when Brady won his three Super Bowls, they did not have nearly the amount of offensive firepower they did in 2007-2008, and even then, that was not a result of Belichick at all.
That is all.
Also, Satan shit on the Tigers...... [-(
He mad.
I'm more concerned about NT and Corner now. The secondary has become even more swiss cheese than it already was...
As long as I have been alive, the browns have to be the most awful team in the NFL. before 2000's I would have said the seahawks and the browns, but the seahawks fixed that... Honestly I don't think any coach could turn that team around.
And Belchick first year as coach for NE was 2000. I wouldnt expect any coach to turn around a team in his first year. 2001 was a great draft year for NE picking up Matt Light and Richard Seymour, perhaps that had something to do with their surge that season?
Anyways, I admit that you have a good argument about Brady coming in and the team instantly becoming much better. Can you say NE wouldnt have had the same record if Bledsoe had not been hurt? You can, but it would just be speculation. My thoughts are the NFL is more of a team sport then any one player. The team as a whole got better that year, and i suspect that it was because Belchick had a year under his belt and had started getting his team moving the way he wanted it. And about starting 0-2, The Jets were a great team that year....
and i thought people here were just unreasonable about mike vick :-??