while all of these teams loaded up on star players to go with what was already a good team, none of them achieved the success that it was assumed they would achieve.
how is winning 5 championships since the early 2000 not acheiving there desired success?? sounds pretty good to me......
can you read?
i was talking about the malone-payton year when everyone just assumed they would win it all. it wasn't until they got rid of those guys and suffered through 3 rebuilding years that they got back to the top.
while all of these teams loaded up on star players to go with what was already a good team, none of them achieved the success that it was assumed they would achieve.
how is winning 5 championships since the early 2000 not acheiving there desired success?? sounds pretty good to me......
can you read?
i was talking about the malone-payton year when everyone just assumed they would win it all. it wasn't until they got rid of those guys and suffered through 3 rebuilding years that they got back to the top.
Before the season, Los Angeles signed two-time MVP Karl Malone formerly of the Jazz, and former Seattle Defensive Player of the Year Gary Payton.[169] Three of the "big four", however, struggled with injuries: O'Neal suffered from a strained calf, Malone an injured knee, and Bryant an injured shoulder.[170][171] The Lakers started 18–3 and finished 56–26. They won the Pacific Division title, and entered the playoffs as the number two seed. They defeated the Rockets, Spurs, and Timberwolves in the first three rounds of the 2004 NBA Playoffs, before succumbing to Detroit in five games in the 2004 NBA Finals.[172]
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i still think wake is right about all of this brady stuff.
i could probably name off 10 qbs that were better. some of them just had bad coaches and/or shitty lines.
Totally!
It is almost like how people talk about how great Emmit Smith and Troy Aikman were, and it pisses me off because their oline was so fantastic that those two bozos took all the credit of that line. I use to watch Emmit run and think "What a stupid back. Grab the ball and run forward and let your line make holes".
I would dream about Sanders being on that team.... Can you imagine? Barry would find holes where they were going to be when he got there. The dude was zig zagging all over getting yards that no other back would ever do. Put him on a team like Dallas, and you wouldnt have even needed a QB. They'd score every down on Barry s shoulders.
WakeOfAshesPosts: 21,665destroyer of motherfuckers
He listed Tony Homo as better than Brady. The dudes trollin.
dont confuse what I was saying... Brady in the patriots system is probably the most effective QB in this decade. No one comes close. Brady outside of that NE system on some dream team I was building, would not be better then Romo in that same situation.
while all of these teams loaded up on star players to go with what was already a good team, none of them achieved the success that it was assumed they would achieve.
how is winning 5 championships since the early 2000 not acheiving there desired success?? sounds pretty good to me......
can you read?
i was talking about the malone-payton year when everyone just assumed they would win it all. it wasn't until they got rid of those guys and suffered through 3 rebuilding years that they got back to the top.
Before the season, Los Angeles signed two-time MVP Karl Malone formerly of the Jazz, and former Seattle Defensive Player of the Year Gary Payton.[169] Three of the "big four", however, struggled with injuries: O'Neal suffered from a strained calf, Malone an injured knee, and Bryant an injured shoulder.[170][171] The Lakers started 18–3 and finished 56–26. They won the Pacific Division title, and entered the playoffs as the number two seed. They defeated the Rockets, Spurs, and Timberwolves in the first three rounds of the 2004 NBA Playoffs, before succumbing to Detroit in five games in the 2004 NBA Finals.[172]
exactly my point. everyone acting like we should've just given them the trophy before the season and...they failed. they had 4 first ballot hall-of-famers and couldn't win it all.
Brady isn't a leader? Are you kidding me? As a second year player who had never started a NFL game prior to Bledsoe getting hurt, the guy took a team that was supposed to do absolutely nothing in 2001 (they started 0-2 under Drew Bledsoe) and led them to a Super Bowl championship, including a 2 minute drive down the field to set up the winning field goal. He did the exact same thing two years later as well. What more proof do you need? The guy delivers when it matters most, and before Randy Moss, who was the first exceptional wide receiver or running back he had to throw or hand off to? Brady > Manning, it's not even close. Manning has the stats, Brady has the rings and the intangibles.
Executing the orders that Belichick put together does not make him a leader. A leader is hard to really define, and the stats are never the tall tell sign of a leader.
I'm not saying that Brady isnt a great player. He follows orders and executes the planned plays very well. He has a great arm, and follows orders well.
I just dont see him being the guy that players turn too when things are on the line. Watch a game where the colts are down by 7 with 45 seconds left of the game. Watch what Payton does.... he is in that huddle, picking those men up on his sholdiers and taking them to the promised land. And when he gets to the line, if the D is showing him something, he is audible changing the plays... His team looks to him to be that guy. Now look at what Brady does in those same situations... he is looking over to the side having conversations. That isnt a leader....
If you dont see that, I don't what games you are watching. Should Brady be in the hall of fame? Fuck yeah. so should Belichick. I don't view Brady as a leader, and I think a lot of his success is a product of NE's system.
dude seriously, you have either never watched brady or just haven't paid attention...have you seen the way he acts on the sideline? the dude flat out is in control of that team...he is the only QB that could ever keep Randy Moss to keep his mouth shut...the guy flat out owns that sideline and that huddle....and his desire to win is higher then just about every player in the league
Currently playing QB's that I think are better then Tom Brady (not necessarily in order but close) 1. Peyton Manning 2. Michael Vick. 3. Aaron Rogers 4. Tony Romo 5. Drew Brees
while all of these teams loaded up on star players to go with what was already a good team, none of them achieved the success that it was assumed they would achieve.
how is winning 5 championships since the early 2000 not acheiving there desired success?? sounds pretty good to me......
can you read?
i was talking about the malone-payton year when everyone just assumed they would win it all. it wasn't until they got rid of those guys and suffered through 3 rebuilding years that they got back to the top.
Before the season, Los Angeles signed two-time MVP Karl Malone formerly of the Jazz, and former Seattle Defensive Player of the Year Gary Payton.[169] Three of the "big four", however, struggled with injuries: O'Neal suffered from a strained calf, Malone an injured knee, and Bryant an injured shoulder.[170][171] The Lakers started 18–3 and finished 56–26. They won the Pacific Division title, and entered the playoffs as the number two seed. They defeated the Rockets, Spurs, and Timberwolves in the first three rounds of the 2004 NBA Playoffs, before succumbing to Detroit in five games in the 2004 NBA Finals.[172]
exactly my point. everyone acting like we should've just given them the trophy before the season and...they failed. they had 4 first ballot hall-of-famers and couldn't win it all.
so your point is when teams add 40 year old players with injury problems they should be dissapointed in only making the champion series???
Currently playing QB's that I think are better then Tom Brady (not necessarily in order but close) 1. Peyton Manning 2. Michael Vick. 3. Aaron Rogers 4. Tony Romo 5. Drew Brees
wake...i nubz your opinions on this board and they way you put your input on things here....but man what da fukk is wrong with you?
while all of these teams loaded up on star players to go with what was already a good team, none of them achieved the success that it was assumed they would achieve.
how is winning 5 championships since the early 2000 not acheiving there desired success?? sounds pretty good to me......
can you read?
i was talking about the malone-payton year when everyone just assumed they would win it all. it wasn't until they got rid of those guys and suffered through 3 rebuilding years that they got back to the top.
Before the season, Los Angeles signed two-time MVP Karl Malone formerly of the Jazz, and former Seattle Defensive Player of the Year Gary Payton.[169] Three of the "big four", however, struggled with injuries: O'Neal suffered from a strained calf, Malone an injured knee, and Bryant an injured shoulder.[170][171] The Lakers started 18–3 and finished 56–26. They won the Pacific Division title, and entered the playoffs as the number two seed. They defeated the Rockets, Spurs, and Timberwolves in the first three rounds of the 2004 NBA Playoffs, before succumbing to Detroit in five games in the 2004 NBA Finals.[172]
exactly my point. everyone acting like we should've just given them the trophy before the season and...they failed. they had 4 first ballot hall-of-famers and couldn't win it all.
so your point is when teams add 40 year old players with injury problems they should be dissapointed in only making the champion series???
WakeOfAshesPosts: 21,665destroyer of motherfuckers
I want to agree with Chicken Fucker about the trolling, because someone can't really be that stupid.
Look, I would accept comments like this IF my comments were in the vast minority. As I pointed out, a simple google search will show that there are many NFL enthusiast who believe the same thing about Brady that I am stating. My comments arent original, and there are a lot who agree. Just not here.
Anyways, Disagree with my opinion of Brady? Fine who the fuck cares? but sharing a really popular opinion that is differing from your own, does not make me either trolling nor stupid.
so your saying the five qb's that are better then him...let me get this straight they have 2 championships combined...brady has 3....and brady never had weapons on his SB teams...if the patriots won the SB based on there system is just that much better then everyone else wouldn't they win it every year?
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i was talking about the malone-payton year when everyone just assumed they would win it all. it wasn't until they got rid of those guys and suffered through 3 rebuilding years that they got back to the top.
i could probably name off 10 qbs that were better. some of them just had bad coaches and/or shitty lines.
It is almost like how people talk about how great Emmit Smith and Troy Aikman were, and it pisses me off because their oline was so fantastic that those two bozos took all the credit of that line. I use to watch Emmit run and think "What a stupid back. Grab the ball and run forward and let your line make holes".
I would dream about Sanders being on that team.... Can you imagine? Barry would find holes where they were going to be when he got there. The dude was zig zagging all over getting yards that no other back would ever do. Put him on a team like Dallas, and you wouldnt have even needed a QB. They'd score every down on Barry s shoulders.
thanks for playing
Anyways, Disagree with my opinion of Brady? Fine who the fuck cares? but sharing a really popular opinion that is differing from your own, does not make me either trolling nor stupid.
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