its clear in the thread who does and does not understand the judicial system
no. i work in law. i think too many people watch law & order and just assume that there's gonna be gobs of dna evidence to support every claim...which is ridiculous.
i've never watched that junk regardless the prosecution was sloppy all the way and without DNA that was just the nail in the coffin to their accusations
so, in your estimation, EVERY SINGLE CASE needs dna evidence in order to convict???
that's ridiculous
no what i said was all their other evidence was junk and without haveing DNA there was just no way to convict. you can forgo DNA if all your other evidence is solid, this was not the case here
i'm curious what other evidence you needed?
something that's not circumstantial maybe? i mean the death penalty was on the table here, you need some sort of indisputable proof.
like what?
people testified that she mistreated the kid and showed no remorse after she disappeared. common sense, dude.
what makes you think its ok to send someone to there death based on common sense?
Well, I'm almost sterile so I can't really say I know how you feel but I know what it's like to have a child that I've been there since day 1 for. I woke up with her and did everything while her mother just worked and went out dating. I could probably tell you a lot more about her than her own mother.
I don't know how that is, because I have never been close to kids before.... What I will say is this-
When my wife was pregnant with our first, she would always talk about how much she loved the baby in her stomach. And I felt like this shittist dad in the world because I had no feelings for that child. On her birth, when I saw her face, and I saw features of me in that child, it was literally like someone hit me with a sludge hammer. My whole body went numb, and I was overwhelmed with this immense feeling of love for this baby. I wanted to scream from every roof top and show the world my beautiful baby. I wanted to hold her and protect her and let nothing ever happen to her. This is the sort of love that parents typically have for their babies....
And I can't imagine doing what this bitch did. [-(
You got to see your child since she came out of her mother. I got to see since about the same moment. I watched my niece go to school, watched her go to her first dance, did just about the same as any parent would for her. She was with me so much of my life that in highschool everyone was convinced I was a teen mom and that I was covering it up by saying she was my niece. She literally went everywhere with me. Which was kind of the reason that I had to hold off on guys until after high school. Also, I gave up my high school education because no one was there to watch her and her mom didn't get home until half an hour into the school started and the school wouldn't let me start later on in the day (I only had to take 2 classes to pass). So yea, I don't know what a parent feels but I do know how close a child can be to someone.
Well, I'm almost sterile so I can't really say I know how you feel but I know what it's like to have a child that I've been there since day 1 for. I woke up with her and did everything while her mother just worked and went out dating. I could probably tell you a lot more about her than her own mother.
I don't know how that is, because I have never been close to kids before.... What I will say is this-
When my wife was pregnant with our first, she would always talk about how much she loved the baby in her stomach. And I felt like this shittist dad in the world because I had no feelings for that child. On her birth, when I saw her face, and I saw features of me in that child, it was literally like someone hit me with a sludge hammer. My whole body went numb, and I was overwhelmed with this immense feeling of love for this baby. I wanted to scream from every roof top and show the world my beautiful baby. I wanted to hold her and protect her and let nothing ever happen to her. This is the sort of love that parents typically have for their babies....
And I can't imagine doing what this bitch did. [-(
i almost killed a pit bull last night because it tried to bite my son. i almost suffocated it through a fence. i felt bad afterward because it really didn't do anything but be a stupidass dog. shit just set off a trigger in me and i acted. that's how strong my paternal instinct is. the idea that others don't have a similar conviction is fucked up to me.
Well, I'm almost sterile so I can't really say I know how you feel but I know what it's like to have a child that I've been there since day 1 for. I woke up with her and did everything while her mother just worked and went out dating. I could probably tell you a lot more about her than her own mother.
I don't know how that is, because I have never been close to kids before.... What I will say is this-
When my wife was pregnant with our first, she would always talk about how much she loved the baby in her stomach. And I felt like this shittist dad in the world because I had no feelings for that child. On her birth, when I saw her face, and I saw features of me in that child, it was literally like someone hit me with a sludge hammer. My whole body went numb, and I was overwhelmed with this immense feeling of love for this baby. I wanted to scream from every roof top and show the world my beautiful baby. I wanted to hold her and protect her and let nothing ever happen to her. This is the sort of love that parents typically have for their babies....
And I can't imagine doing what this bitch did. [-(
i almost killed a pit bull last night because it tried to bite my son. i almost suffocated it through a fence. i felt bad afterward because it really didn't do anything but be a stupidass dog. shit just set off a trigger in me and i acted. that's how strong my paternal instinct is. the idea that others don't have a similar conviction is fucked up to me.
you should have kept your kid away from the fence, its your fault, not the dogs. take some responsibility
but if you can't 100% prove it was caylees it would be ripped apart in court
think about that for a second. It was 100% proved to be a 2 year old child that was dead in her trunk. If NOT caylee then what non-existant baby. Like Satan said... stop getting so hung up on DNA. Nothing about the evidence points to anyone else.
im not saying i need dna evidence....im saying that if its not caylees then who's is it? how did it get there? how can you prove it was someone who is dead...these are all things the defense could have ran a marathon with...it would have not helped the prosecutions case if you can't prove it was caylees...hell why would the prosecution even want dna evidence if they can't prove who that DNA came from?
Right. If its not cayless then who is it? Are there any other dead or missing 2-3 year olds with blonde hair in the area? NOPE. it's caylee's.
Talk to the FBI how they proved it was decomposition material from a 2-3 year old blonde hair girl. I am not in that science, I only read their report that 100% put a dead 2-3 year old blonde child in her trunk.
look im not saying it wasn't caylees....im sure it probably was...but it would not have held up in court...think about it...if you have DNA...most of the time it can be linked to the person it came from....if they have DNA and present it to the jury but cannot prove who exactly it came from then how is that going to hold up?
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see thats where your problem in your judgement comes...you compare this to your kids and make it personal....when judging somone on a murder trail that could send them to there death you need to take all personal feelings out of it...IMO
Whose talking the death penalty? I think most people agree there is not enough evidence to prove 1st degree murder. We are only talking manslaughter which the evidence most certainly supports. It's just like the OJ case- there was DNA evidence that didnt prove 100%, but it proved like 99.999% and the circumstantial evidence is what completes the "without any reasonable doubt"
Well, I'm almost sterile so I can't really say I know how you feel but I know what it's like to have a child that I've been there since day 1 for. I woke up with her and did everything while her mother just worked and went out dating. I could probably tell you a lot more about her than her own mother.
I don't know how that is, because I have never been close to kids before.... What I will say is this-
When my wife was pregnant with our first, she would always talk about how much she loved the baby in her stomach. And I felt like this shittist dad in the world because I had no feelings for that child. On her birth, when I saw her face, and I saw features of me in that child, it was literally like someone hit me with a sludge hammer. My whole body went numb, and I was overwhelmed with this immense feeling of love for this baby. I wanted to scream from every roof top and show the world my beautiful baby. I wanted to hold her and protect her and let nothing ever happen to her. This is the sort of love that parents typically have for their babies....
And I can't imagine doing what this bitch did. [-(
see thats where your problem in your judgement comes...you compare this to your kids and make it personal....when judging somone on a murder trail that could send them to there death you need to take all personal feelings out of it...IMO
theres a reason Jurors for death penalty cases need to be certified
WakeOfAshesPosts: 21,665destroyer of motherfuckers
You got to see your child since she came out of her mother. I got to see since about the same moment. I watched my niece go to school, watched her go to her first dance, did just about the same as any parent would for her. She was with me so much of my life that in highschool everyone was convinced I was a teen mom and that I was covering it up by saying she was my niece. She literally went everywhere with me. Which was kind of the reason that I had to hold off on guys until after high school. Also, I gave up my high school education because no one was there to watch her and her mom didn't get home until half an hour into the school started and the school wouldn't let me start later on in the day (I only had to take 2 classes to pass). So yea, I don't know what a parent feels but I do know how close a child can be to someone.
I wasnt trying to discredit your feelings for your niece. I just wanted to give you my story because I hope some day you will be a mom.
Well, I'm almost sterile so I can't really say I know how you feel but I know what it's like to have a child that I've been there since day 1 for. I woke up with her and did everything while her mother just worked and went out dating. I could probably tell you a lot more about her than her own mother.
I don't know how that is, because I have never been close to kids before.... What I will say is this-
When my wife was pregnant with our first, she would always talk about how much she loved the baby in her stomach. And I felt like this shittist dad in the world because I had no feelings for that child. On her birth, when I saw her face, and I saw features of me in that child, it was literally like someone hit me with a sludge hammer. My whole body went numb, and I was overwhelmed with this immense feeling of love for this baby. I wanted to scream from every roof top and show the world my beautiful baby. I wanted to hold her and protect her and let nothing ever happen to her. This is the sort of love that parents typically have for their babies....
And I can't imagine doing what this bitch did. [-(
i almost killed a pit bull last night because it tried to bite my son. i almost suffocated it through a fence. i felt bad afterward because it really didn't do anything but be a stupidass dog. shit just set off a trigger in me and i acted. that's how strong my paternal instinct is. the idea that others don't have a similar conviction is fucked up to me.
you should have kept your kid away from the fence, its your fault, not the dogs. take some responsibility
your just mad this women didn't get the death penalty because you felt she should cuz how you feel about your own daughter, completely ignoring how the system works
You got to see your child since she came out of her mother. I got to see since about the same moment. I watched my niece go to school, watched her go to her first dance, did just about the same as any parent would for her. She was with me so much of my life that in highschool everyone was convinced I was a teen mom and that I was covering it up by saying she was my niece. She literally went everywhere with me. Which was kind of the reason that I had to hold off on guys until after high school. Also, I gave up my high school education because no one was there to watch her and her mom didn't get home until half an hour into the school started and the school wouldn't let me start later on in the day (I only had to take 2 classes to pass). So yea, I don't know what a parent feels but I do know how close a child can be to someone.
I wasnt trying to discredit your feelings for your niece. I just wanted to give you my story because I hope some day you will be a mom.
I know you weren't trying to discredit my feelings but I was saying that I can't know what a parent feels but I can know almost what a parent feels. Shane will probably never truly love a baby ever. It's sad but he's just emotionally gone.
Well, I'm almost sterile so I can't really say I know how you feel but I know what it's like to have a child that I've been there since day 1 for. I woke up with her and did everything while her mother just worked and went out dating. I could probably tell you a lot more about her than her own mother.
I don't know how that is, because I have never been close to kids before.... What I will say is this-
When my wife was pregnant with our first, she would always talk about how much she loved the baby in her stomach. And I felt like this shittist dad in the world because I had no feelings for that child. On her birth, when I saw her face, and I saw features of me in that child, it was literally like someone hit me with a sludge hammer. My whole body went numb, and I was overwhelmed with this immense feeling of love for this baby. I wanted to scream from every roof top and show the world my beautiful baby. I wanted to hold her and protect her and let nothing ever happen to her. This is the sort of love that parents typically have for their babies....
And I can't imagine doing what this bitch did. [-(
i almost killed a pit bull last night because it tried to bite my son. i almost suffocated it through a fence. i felt bad afterward because it really didn't do anything but be a stupidass dog. shit just set off a trigger in me and i acted. that's how strong my paternal instinct is. the idea that others don't have a similar conviction is fucked up to me.
you should have kept your kid away from the fence, its your fault, not the dogs. take some responsibility
not the point moron.
i would say that you are for letting your kid that close to a aggressive pit. i bet your the same person that if your kid walking into the road and got hit you'd blame the driver even though they slammed on the brakes and tried to swerve
see thats where your problem in your judgement comes...you compare this to your kids and make it personal....when judging somone on a murder trail that could send them to there death you need to take all personal feelings out of it...IMO
Whose talking the death penalty? I think most people agree there is not enough evidence to prove 1st degree murder. We are only talking manslaughter which the evidence most certainly supports. It's just like the OJ case- there was DNA evidence that didnt prove 100%, but it proved like 99.999% and the circumstantial evidence is what completes the "without any reasonable doubt"
i agree...but i think the prosecution did a bad job of presenting the evidence...and i think had it been just a manslaughter charge they probably would have gotten her...but when they decided to go not guilty with murder one they probably just said fuck it with the manslaughter charge....in all truth i just wanna hear the jurors talk
your just mad this women didn't get the death penalty because you felt she should cuz how you feel about your own daughter, completely ignoring how the system works
actually i do NOT believe she should have gotten the death penalty. sooo, try again.
WakeOfAshesPosts: 21,665destroyer of motherfuckers
that's how strong my paternal instinct is. the idea that others don't have a similar conviction is fucked up to me.
Yes, I also find it hard to believe that other parents wouldnt have that conviction. It isnt like I consciously made the decision to be this way... It was there, automatically. And I can't believe it wouldnt happen to others.
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look im not saying it wasn't caylees....im sure it probably was...but it would not have held up in court...think about it...if you have DNA...most of the time it can be linked to the person it came from....if they have DNA and present it to the jury but cannot prove who exactly it came from then how is that going to hold up?
they're just regular dumbasses. obviously
They didn't win this case cause of Baez, lol.