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91-Year-Old Nazi Guard Convicted

HOODSHOODS Posts: 41,866 destroyer of motherfuckers
edited May 2011 in Off Topic
MUNICH – Retired U.S. autoworker John Demjanjuk was convicted of thousands of counts of acting as an accessory to murder at a Nazi death camp and sentenced on Thursday to five years in prison, a groundbreaking verdict that closed one chapter in a decades-long legal battle.

Judges ordered him released pending appeal, on the ground that he did not pose a flight risk.

Demjanjuk was found guilty of 28,060 counts of being an accessory to murder, one for each person who died during the time he was ruled to have been a guard at the Sobibor camp in Nazi-occupied Poland.

Presiding Judge Ralph Alt said the 91-year-old was a piece of the Nazis' "machinery of destruction."

"The court is convinced that the defendant ... served as a guard at Sobibor from 27 March 1943 to mid-September 1943," Alt said, closing a trial that lasted nearly 18 months.

Demjanjuk (dem-YAHN'-yuk) sat in a wheelchair in front of the judges as they announced their verdict, but showed no reaction. He has denied the charges, but declined the opportunity to make a final statement to the court.

Demjanjuk's son, John Demjanjuk Jr., asserted that "the Germans have built a house of cards and it will not stand for long."

Alt later ordered that Demjanjuk be freed during his appeal — a process that is likely to take six months or more — though it wasn't clear when exactly he would leave the prison.

Such a release is not unusual in Germany, and Alt said Demjanjuk did not pose a flight risk because of his advanced age, poor health and the fact that the defendant, deported from the U.S. two years ago, is stateless. The costs of Demjanjuk's two lawyers are being shouldered by German authorities, who routinely pay the legal costs of low-income defendants.

Alt told The Associated Press that meant there were "no grounds" to hold him. "It's the law, and so it's justice," he added. "I say he's guilty, but it's not a final verdict."

Demjanjuk is not allowed to leave Germany. Alt said that the issue of whether or not Demjanjuk died in a German jail had "nothing to do" with the decision.

Defense attorney Guenther Maull said it wasn't yet clear where Demjanjuk would go once he is freed, but he was likely to live with members of the Ukrainian community in Munich. The court noted that Demjanjuk, who suffers from a variety of ailments, needs daily medical attention.

Charges of accessory to murder carry a maximum term of 15 years in Germany, which does not allow consecutive sentences for multiple counts of the same crime.

There was no evidence that Demjanjuk committed a specific crime. The prosecution was based on the theory that if Demjanjuk was at the camp, he was a participant in the killing — the first time such a legal argument has been made in German courts.

Thomas Walther, who led the investigation that prompted Germany to prosecute Demjanjuk, said before the verdict that other low-ranking Nazi helpers could now face prosecution.

"It could be very soon that more are brought to the table," he said. "This case is a door-opener."

Integral to the prosecution's case was an SS identity card that allegedly shows a picture of a young Demjanjuk, and indicates he trained at the SS Trawniki camp and was posted to Sobibor.

Though court experts said the card appears genuine, the defense maintains it is a fake produced by the Soviet KGB.

The U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Special Investigations also has said the card is genuine, but documents unearthed by The Associated Press indicate that the FBI at one time had doubts similar to those aired by Demjanjuk's defense about the evidence — though the material was never turned over to them.

Rudolf Salomon Cortissos, whose mother was gassed at Sobibor along with thousands of other Dutch Jews, cried softly in a back row of the courtroom, wiping his tears with a white handkerchief, as Alt somberly read out the names of the brothers, sisters and parents of people who joined the trial as co-plaintiffs, as allowed under German law.

"It's very emotional — it doesn't happen every day," he said, adding that he was happy with the verdict and sentence. "For me it is satisfying," he said.

Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk has been stripped of his U.S. citizenship and has been in custody in Germany since his deportation two years ago.

Cornelius Nestler, a lawyer for co-plaintiffs, said he likely would serve three years at most, given the time he has already spent in German custody.

But he said he, too, was satisfied with the sentence, which came close to prosecutors' call for a six-year term. That call took into account the defendant's age, and time he already served in Israel in the 1980s.

The verdict won't entirely end more than 30 years of legal wrangling. Along with the German appeal, and legal proceedings continue in the United States.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center's chief Nazi hunter, Efraim Zuroff, called the conviction "a very important victory for justice."

"The verdict sends a very powerful message that, even many years after the crimes of the Holocaust the perpetrators can be brought to justice," he said by telephone from Jerusalem. "We're hopeful that this verdict will pave the way for additional prosecutions in Germany."

Zuroff said later, however, that he was "very surprised" by the decision to free Demjanjuk pending the appeal.

"We don't think that that's appropriate given the heinous nature of his crimes," he said.

In the 1980s, Demjanjuk stood trial in Israel after he was accused of being the notoriously brutal guard "Ivan the Terrible" at the Treblinka extermination camp. He was convicted, sentenced to death — then freed when an Israeli court overturned the ruling, saying the evidence showed he was the victim of mistaken identity.

Demjanjuk maintains he was a victim of the Nazis — first wounded as a Soviet soldier fighting German forces, then captured and held as a prisoner of war under brutal conditions before joining the Vlasov Army, a force of anti-communist Soviet POWs and others that was formed to fight with the Germans against the Soviets in the final months of the war.

Demjanjuk's son said he was relieved at the decision to free his father "because he has never deserved to sit in prison for one minute."

But "after everything that he's gone through, it is hard to use a word like happy in any context," he said by phone from Cleveland, Ohio.

Prosecutors said that after his capture, the evidence shows Demjanjuk agreed to serve the German SS and was posted to Sobibor in Nazi-occupied Poland.

Demjanjuk was accused of having served as a "wachmann," a guard, the lowest rank of the "Hilfswillige" volunteers who were subordinate to German SS men.

In a 1985 report, the FBI's Cleveland field office concluded that: "Justice is ill-served in the prosecution of an American citizen on evidence which is not only normally inadmissible in a court of law but based on evidence and allegations quite likely fabricated by the KGB."

That revelation has led to new court action in the U.S., with a District Court judge in Cleveland on Tuesday agreeing to appoint a public defender to represent Demjanjuk there, raising the prospect of renewing the decades-old case.
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  • WakeOfAshesWakeOfAshes Posts: 21,665 destroyer of motherfuckers
    they should have just bust down his door and shot him. /s
  • NolaFree810NolaFree810 Posts: 36,796 moneytalker
    they should have just bust down his door and shot him. /s
    honestly id have no problem with that
  • WakeOfAshesWakeOfAshes Posts: 21,665 destroyer of motherfuckers
    i probably wouldnt have either :-))
  • GULCH_OF_ROTGULCH_OF_ROT Posts: 5,795 salt miner
    I PREFER BRUTAL TORTURE FOR FOUL CREATURES SUCH AS HE
  • sbs_willsbs_will Posts: 18,648 salt miner
  • WakeOfAshesWakeOfAshes Posts: 21,665 destroyer of motherfuckers
    TLDR - Got another Nazi for his crimes \m/ having a crazy gov leader does not justify crimes against humanity
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    you can't blame a solder for following orders that they would have killed him for disobeying
  • Bottle_TreeBottle_Tree Posts: 7,166 just the tip
    you can't blame a solder for following orders that they would have killed him for disobeying
    I'm pretty sure even if he did admit to just following orders in fear of being killed they still wouldn't of taken it too lightly over there.

    There are a few Japanese soldiers from Unit 731 who admitted to have performed experiments on people, yet they said they did it because they were scared of being killed. However, one of them says after he performed a few vivisections, he was a willing participant once he got used to it. However, they weren't convicted of war crimes. The dude who did the vivisections is still alive and does presentations in different places on why war crimes are horrible.
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    you can't blame a solder for following orders that they would have killed him for disobeying
    I'm pretty sure even if he did admit to just following orders in fear of being killed they still wouldn't of taken it too lightly over there.

    There are a few Japanese soldiers from Unit 731 who admitted to have performed experiments on people, yet they said they did it because they were scared of being killed. However, one of them says after he performed a few vivisections, he was a willing participant once he got used to it. However, they weren't convicted of war crimes. The dude who did the vivisections is still alive and does presentations in different places on why war crimes are horrible.
    you become desensitized after a while. had it not been the punishment of death or torture, i doubt it would have had the same outcome
  • Bottle_TreeBottle_Tree Posts: 7,166 just the tip
    You've got a point. I can only imagine the damage that shit has done on those guy's mental health though.
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    You've got a point. I can only imagine the damage that shit has done on those guy's mental health though.
    War is hell
  • WakeOfAshesWakeOfAshes Posts: 21,665 destroyer of motherfuckers
    you can't blame a solder for following orders that they would have killed him for disobeying
    I can to blame him. He should have ran away, or accepted death. He had no right to participate in the slaughter of 30,000 people. fuck him.
  • Bottle_TreeBottle_Tree Posts: 7,166 just the tip
    edited May 2011
    you can't blame a solder for following orders that they would have killed him for disobeying
    I can to blame him. He should have ran away, or accepted death. He had no right to participate in the slaughter of 30,000 people. fuck him.
    I dunno if I could honestly say I would of done that when in that situation. :-S
  • SantanaSantana Posts: 16,743 juggalo
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    you can't blame a solder for following orders that they would have killed him for disobeying
    I can to blame him. He should have ran away, or accepted death. He had no right to participate in the slaughter of 30,000 people. fuck him.
    you would have done the same thing as him if you were threatened with torture and death so you can step down from your moral soapbox
  • NolaFree810NolaFree810 Posts: 36,796 moneytalker
    honestly shane i would choose death, i could never do what some of these people did
  • WakeOfAshesWakeOfAshes Posts: 21,665 destroyer of motherfuckers
    I can agree with you that it was a difficult situation and I can agree that one may never know for sure what one would do if placed in such a situation. However I do have a long history of not compromising my principles. Although accepting death is questionable, I can guarantee I would not sit idly by.
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    if you had grown up in Germany in the aftermath of WW1 your mindset would be different and you would have done it. your comparing apples to assholes
  • WakeOfAshesWakeOfAshes Posts: 21,665 destroyer of motherfuckers
    When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die.
  • ShaneShane Posts: 15,229 balls deep
    everyone in post WW1 Germany was poor. Hilter gave them hope.
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