that's not an easy thing to say when your a young band aspiring to make a name for yourself and in the industry. Until you've set a foundation to stand on like a Tom Waits or Trent Reznor, the record labels all you got and you have to do as they say. Then if you make a name for yourself, your more then welcome to do as you please.
Now, bands like Metallica, Green Day, etc. What's the problem with what they're doing exactly? They've all busted their asses to be where their at today. They were so good at it that they've become a franchise in themselves and marketing machines. So, their rich. Nothing wrong with that. If you telling me you wouldn't want to live in their shoes one day, id have to call you a liar. Their living the American dream.
"Until you've set a foundation to stand on like a Tom Waits or Trent Reznor, the record labels all you got and you have to do as they say." also what I was thinking about as a musician I was wondering how I'm going to get up to a place where I can move from record company to record company so I can keep all creative control
"as a musician I was wondering how I'm going to get up to a place where I can move from record company to record company so I can keep all creative control"
once you build a big enough fan base and your contract expires with whatever company your with, you can defiantly do it on your own. But very few musicians get that privilege. If you choose to go NolaMetals route, then you better be happy with playing in bars and living on a few hundred bucks a week. But if you want an actual career in music, then it won't work that way.
well even slipknot could move down to a smaller record company when their contract ends with Roadrunner so they can start making stuff like s/t and iowa The problem is if you don't have a first or second album that sounds like what you want it to sound like, people will think it's weird or bad to move from mainstream to heavier stuff however slipknot has heavy albums so they have something to move back to after their mainstream phase(which sadly won't end) idk if this made any sense. I can't really put it into words
And as far as the Music business, to the one who said who wouldn't wanna live like Metallica, I'd love to, but that's not my goal, honestly, I wanna have a band in the future, I wanna be a Musician, straight up, there's not much else I see myself doing and actually enjoying, but just getting to the status of a band like....WhiteChapel, Winds Of Plague, Etc., I'd be happy. As long as I get to spread my Music to the world. But I don't need to be the next Metallica. Not at all.
"I wanna have a band in the future, I wanna be a Musician, straight up, there's not much else I see myself doing and actually enjoying, but just getting to the status of a band like....WhiteChapel, Winds Of Plague, Etc.," Exactly my thought process I keep telling people that I would be happy being at the status of whitechapel cuz they have actually got a good fanbase from all the touring they've done. They were on mayhem, then trivium, now warped and a bunch of other deathfests, etc. I would love to be in that position even if it means I won't be rich
hey sold out.” Three words that have been said about so many bands. But what does the phrase actually mean?
I know what I think it means. I think that selling out means changing your artistic direction drastically and unnaturally in an attempt to make more money.
Notice I said “unnaturally.” I said that because artists and bands change directions all the time. I know that some fans take this very personally. They can feel very strongly, and usually in a negative way, when their favorite band changes their sound or direction. A true artist follows their inner muse and nobody can predict where that shit will take them.
Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and has the right to express them. Its perfectly fine if you don’t like a new direction an artist took. What baffles me is when people take it so personally that it inspires deep hate. Here’s an example: Metallica. Most people on earth prefer their Black Album and everything prior over anything that’s come since. Some even argue that the key records were …And Justice For All and earlier. Whatever. To each his own. I’m in the same boat as most. I prefer their old shit. However, I don’t take their changes in direction as a personal offense. I’ve seen grown men reduced to tears over this. Seriously. But I’m not butthurt by their transformations, and I also don’t think that their sound will ever go back to what it used to be.
Here’s something I think I’ve figured out about great records. There’s the actual musical content, meaning the notes being played, the lyrics being sung, etc. But then there are the time and place factors. The time and place factors are all the different psychologies and life situations of the people working on the record, synergizing to create the vibe and overall intent of the sound. You can’t recreate that. When you nail it you nail it, and that’s that. It’s never coming back. There are too many elements that need to align perfectly in order to create a great record. And to get more specific, there are too many elements that depend on things you have no control over.
"hey sold out.” Three words that have been said about so many bands. But what does the phrase actually mean?
I know what I think it means. I think that selling out means changing your artistic direction drastically and unnaturally in an attempt to make more money.
Notice I said “unnaturally.” I said that because artists and bands change directions all the time. I know that some fans take this very personally. They can feel very strongly, and usually in a negative way, when their favorite band changes their sound or direction. A true artist follows their inner muse and nobody can predict where that shit will take them."
I like this post. This is exactly what i think on the topic.
that's not an easy thing to say when your a young band aspiring to make a name for yourself and in the industry. Until you've set a foundation to stand on like a Tom Waits or Trent Reznor, the record labels all you got and you have to do as they say. Then if you make a name for yourself, your more then welcome to do as you please.
I undertsand what your saying, but alot of bands that sell out have record contracts and were doing just fine. your telling me metallica and green day werent well off before they started to become sell outs? cmon they clearly chose that path. green day more than Metallica, they completely have gone against everything they stood for when they started out. I remember watching green day behind the music and they probably wouldve hated themselves as the 17 year versions of themselves.
" If you choose to go NolaMetals route, then you better be happy with playing in bars and living on a few hundred bucks a week. But if you want an actual career in music, then it won't work that way."
Like i said alot of these bands already have record contracts and are doing fine, they might not be gigantic superstars like nickelback, but are at least making a living. If you can make a living being a musician and you have a true passion for music then you should be living your dream.
Now, bands like Metallica, Green Day, etc. What's the problem with what they're doing exactly? They've all busted their asses to be where their at today. They were so good at it that they've become a franchise in themselves and marketing machines. So, their rich. Nothing wrong with that. If you telling me you wouldn't want to live in their shoes one day, id have to call you a liar. Their living the American dream.
Because they busted there ass making the music that moved them to bust there ass. They should be embarassed with themselves if you ask me. I remember a famous line from hetfield in a documentary "this song is for all the fake people out there!" well now you are the fake one james. a perfect example I think is the lack of solos on st anger. why did they do this? cuz it was in at the time. its the same bullshit with green day. they came from the streets and like you said worked their asses off in little punk clubs to get to the point in their career to sing to 13 year old girls? They are sell outs and i can honestly promise you that i would never had done what they done. they could have remained rich without exploiting their own talent and making a mockery of themselves. plus lars is a giant toolbag.
I still have yet to hear and actual reason as to why these bands wanting to be the one of the biggest in the world and pulling in millions of dollars is a bad thing?
because they lost their musical integrity along the way? seriously if you even have to ask yourself that question than i dont think you really know what music is all about
britney spears at one time was the biggest in the world. the average day person is a moron who doesnt understand good music. so when you sing to these idiots you lose your artform along the way
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that's not an easy thing to say when your a young band aspiring to make a name for yourself and in the industry. Until you've set a foundation to stand on like a Tom Waits or Trent Reznor, the record labels all you got and you have to do as they say. Then if you make a name for yourself, your more then welcome to do as you please.
Now, bands like Metallica, Green Day, etc. What's the problem with what they're doing exactly? They've all busted their asses to be where their at today. They were so good at it that they've become a franchise in themselves and marketing machines. So, their rich. Nothing wrong with that. If you telling me you wouldn't want to live in their shoes one day, id have to call you a liar. Their living the American dream.
also what I was thinking about
as a musician I was wondering how I'm going to get up to a place where I can move from record company to record company so I can keep all creative control
once you build a big enough fan base and your contract expires with whatever company your with, you can defiantly do it on your own. But very few musicians get that privilege. If you choose to go NolaMetals route, then you better be happy with playing in bars and living on a few hundred bucks a week. But if you want an actual career in music, then it won't work that way.
The problem is if you don't have a first or second album that sounds like what you want it to sound like, people will think it's weird or bad to move from mainstream to heavier stuff
however slipknot has heavy albums so they have something to move back to after their mainstream phase(which sadly won't end)
idk if this made any sense. I can't really put it into words
Cannibal Corpse
Amon Amarth
The Black Dahlia Murder
Nile
Behemoth
Hatebreed
Overkill
Death
thats just a few I can think of at the top of my head
Death
Ummm.....
Exactly my thought process
I keep telling people that I would be happy being at the status of whitechapel cuz they have actually got a good fanbase from all the touring they've done. They were on mayhem, then trivium, now warped and a bunch of other deathfests, etc.
I would love to be in that position even if it means I won't be rich
I know what I think it means. I think that selling out means changing your artistic direction drastically and unnaturally in an attempt to make more money.
Notice I said “unnaturally.” I said that because artists and bands change directions all the time. I know that some fans take this very personally. They can feel very strongly, and usually in a negative way, when their favorite band changes their sound or direction. A true artist follows their inner muse and nobody can predict where that shit will take them.
Of course, everyone is entitled to their opinions, and has the right to express them. Its perfectly fine if you don’t like a new direction an artist took. What baffles me is when people take it so personally that it inspires deep hate. Here’s an example: Metallica. Most people on earth prefer their Black Album and everything prior over anything that’s come since. Some even argue that the key records were …And Justice For All and earlier. Whatever. To each his own. I’m in the same boat as most. I prefer their old shit. However, I don’t take their changes in direction as a personal offense. I’ve seen grown men reduced to tears over this. Seriously. But I’m not butthurt by their transformations, and I also don’t think that their sound will ever go back to what it used to be.
Here’s something I think I’ve figured out about great records. There’s the actual musical content, meaning the notes being played, the lyrics being sung, etc. But then there are the time and place factors. The time and place factors are all the different psychologies and life situations of the people working on the record, synergizing to create the vibe and overall intent of the sound. You can’t recreate that. When you nail it you nail it, and that’s that. It’s never coming back. There are too many elements that need to align perfectly in order to create a great record. And to get more specific, there are too many elements that depend on things you have no control over.
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^^yeah, id say that pretty much sums it up right there.
Death
Ummm....."
I laughed and felt bad at the same time...lol
I know what I think it means. I think that selling out means changing your artistic direction drastically and unnaturally in an attempt to make more money.
Notice I said “unnaturally.” I said that because artists and bands change directions all the time. I know that some fans take this very personally. They can feel very strongly, and usually in a negative way, when their favorite band changes their sound or direction. A true artist follows their inner muse and nobody can predict where that shit will take them."
I like this post. This is exactly what i think on the topic.
I undertsand what your saying, but alot of bands that sell out have record contracts and were doing just fine. your telling me metallica and green day werent well off before they started to become sell outs? cmon they clearly chose that path. green day more than Metallica, they completely have gone against everything they stood for when they started out. I remember watching green day behind the music and they probably wouldve hated themselves as the 17 year versions of themselves.
" If you choose to go NolaMetals route, then you better be happy with playing in bars and living on a few hundred bucks a week. But if you want an actual career in music, then it won't work that way."
Like i said alot of these bands already have record contracts and are doing fine, they might not be gigantic superstars like nickelback, but are at least making a living. If you can make a living being a musician and you have a true passion for music then you should be living your dream.
Because they busted there ass making the music that moved them to bust there ass. They should be embarassed with themselves if you ask me. I remember a famous line from hetfield in a documentary "this song is for all the fake people out there!" well now you are the fake one james. a perfect example I think is the lack of solos on st anger. why did they do this? cuz it was in at the time. its the same bullshit with green day. they came from the streets and like you said worked their asses off in little punk clubs to get to the point in their career to sing to 13 year old girls? They are sell outs and i can honestly promise you that i would never had done what they done. they could have remained rich without exploiting their own talent and making a mockery of themselves. plus lars is a giant toolbag.
sorry i wrote so much lol
seriously if you even have to ask yourself that question than i dont think you really know what music is all about