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Selling out.

EpisodeEpisode Posts: 32,049 destroyer of motherfuckers
edited February 2010 in Off Topic
Just a discussion thread. Post your thoughts on it.

Like why you think bands do it, why it happens, why most bands earlier albums are their best, etc.

For me, I think it's that, when they go and make their first album, they don't know WHAT'S gonna happen, yea, they could already be on a label, but it doesn't mean they'll go anywhere with said label, so they put every last idea they have into the Music, and make it as creative as possible. THEN, if they kick off, they're not feeling as much pressure, especially if they already have a solid fanbase, so they half ass everything. They just think it'll get them money, so fuck it. Or, sometimes they'll just run out of ideas.

Idk, I'm bored.

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  • NolaFree810NolaFree810 Posts: 36,796 moneytalker
    I dont think its that they half ass it as much as the money gets better the more you sell out lol.
  • BrianBrian Posts: 17,611 destroyer of motherfuckers
    It just seems like its half assed when really its just dumbed down for a larger fanbase.
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  • NolaFree810NolaFree810 Posts: 36,796 moneytalker
    I also love that bands that talk negatively about selling out are the biggest sell outs i.e. Green Day, Metallica
  • EpisodeEpisode Posts: 32,049 destroyer of motherfuckers
    There's only a few bands I've seen that keep progressing, where their later albums are better, and they happen to be my 3 favorite bands.

    Behemoth
    The Black Dahlia Murder
    Nile (Their best album is easily Those Whom The Gods Detest.)
  • SantanaSantana Posts: 16,743 juggalo
    I think big record labels sign you when you have a solid fanbase then they push you to make your music more mainstream i.e. All Hope Is Gone (more mainstream)
    so by record companies making you make your music more mainstream, they hope you get a larger fanbase to bring them in more money
  • EpisodeEpisode Posts: 32,049 destroyer of motherfuckers
    That could be possible too Santana.

    Look at Avenged Sevenfold. They got signed to Warner Bros. records for City Of Evil, and what happened? More mainstream. Although, even though they went more mainstream, I love all their albums equally.
  • NolaFree810NolaFree810 Posts: 36,796 moneytalker
    edited February 2010
    ^ yup it aint rocket science, larger fanbase = more money.lamer sound = larger fanbase
  • NOLANOLA Posts: 6,353 jayfacer
    ah yes, the old "sell out" term. I never bought into it. Mainly because the fans make it out to be a bigger deal then what it really is. It's a pretty simple concept. If you don't like the new direction of an artist, then don't listen. If you enjoy, then see you at the show.
  • NolaFree810NolaFree810 Posts: 36,796 moneytalker
    ^yah but if one of your favorite bands goes in a new horrible direction its kind of hard to just say"well fuck it", you want to continue to like them
  • JLRedWing13JLRedWing13 Posts: 48,738 mod
    I love all of Metallica's work save one album. The term is definitely overused.
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  • NolaFree810NolaFree810 Posts: 36,796 moneytalker
    metallica's music isnt really what makes them sell outs really, its stuff like their own rockband, tv commercials, lars and his fights with file sharing, high ticket prices, etc..
  • JLRedWing13JLRedWing13 Posts: 48,738 mod
    Lol, I'm not going to defend what they do outside the studio and arena, but I love their music and they kick ass live after 25 years. <_>
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  • NolaFree810NolaFree810 Posts: 36,796 moneytalker
    death magnetic was at least a step back in the right direction musically, thats about all i can say positive about metallica right now..
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  • NOLANOLA Posts: 6,353 jayfacer
    edited February 2010
    "yah but if one of your favorite bands goes in a new horrible direction its kind of hard to just say"well fuck it", you want to continue to like them"

    Just because it's horrible to one person doesn't mean another won't embrace it. I've stayed loyal to many bands through everything they've released. It's what a loyal fan does. Bands "selling out" as yall like to say won't end anytime soon. You can learn to adjust to the new direction or just move on.

    "its stuff like their own rockband, tv commercials, lars and his fights with file sharing, high ticket prices, etc.."

    Rockband (their one of the most influential bands in history, why wouldn't they have one). File-sharing, so your telling me if your in a band you'd be ok with your music being shared for free? I doubt it. The ticket prices are only high if you can't afford them. I have yet to see an empty seat a Metallica show. So their are about about 20,000 people a night who don't mind it.


    I think alot of people are missing the main picture of all of this. THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS A BUSINESS, AND BANDS ARE MARKETING TOOLS TO DRAW "MONEY"!!!!! Saying that bands sell out is so stupid and ignorant it's beyond retarded. Fucking Whaaaaaaaa!!!
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  • NolaFree810NolaFree810 Posts: 36,796 moneytalker
    I dont really agree, music is very important to me and if i see a band that was once in it for the love of music and now are just looking to be big and get the big paychecks, i cant stay by their side. i know its easy to say but i would always stay true to the music if i were an artist. there are still artists out their with integrity and thats what i respect. i dont buy the crap that its a new direction. they know exactly what their doing when they pussy up there albums. there not going in a new direction, they are pandering like little bitches
  • SantanaSantana Posts: 16,743 juggalo
    Personally I thought Death Magnetic was good and it shows that Metallica is moving back to their roots
  • NolaFree810NolaFree810 Posts: 36,796 moneytalker
    I think alot of people are missing the main picture of all of this. THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS A BUSINESS, AND BANDS ARE MARKETING TOOLS TO DRAW "MONEY"!!!!! Saying that bands sell out is so stupid and ignorant it's beyond retarded. Fucking Whaaaaaaaa!!!

    whatever call me a purist or non realistic or whatever but music is not a business its a passion. fuck record companies execs, large venue holders, and bands that pander to the crowd. there are still some artists out their that just do it for the love of music. if you gave them a big fancy record contract to sing watered down crap they would say fuck you. thats why i respect alot of the new orleans sludge type bands. their music is holds respect and integrity. For non metal examples look at artists like tom waits, nick cave, leonard cohen etc.. They couldnt give to shits about music as a business, they do it right from the heart. that might sound corny but its what i believe
  • SantanaSantana Posts: 16,743 juggalo
    ^true but record companies aren't in it for the music they are in it for the money no matter how much passion the band has for making the music they want to make, record companies still push them to be mainstream to bring in the money
    THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS A BUSINESS, AND BANDS ARE MARKETING TOOLS TO DRAW "MONEY"!!!!!
    you have proven my point
  • NolaFree810NolaFree810 Posts: 36,796 moneytalker
    edited February 2010
    like i said fuck record companies, be true to yourself as an artist. ill use an example for instance, my favorite artist tom waits had changed record like four times cuz they wanted to take over his music and make it more accessible. he said fuck that and went to a smaller record company so he could make his own music. true artist stay true to their vision and dont let dollars signs dictate their direction.record companies have absolutely nothing to do with music except try to ruin it
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