My bottom front tooth on the right is chipped and my tooth next to my front one on the left side is cracked in half. That one is thanks to my then dentists son that was an intern
My bottom front tooth on the right is chipped and my tooth next to my front one on the left side is cracked in half. That one is thanks to my then dentists son that was an intern
It happened when I was 7 when I went to get the chipped tooth capped. When that cracked tooth came in it had these little ridges along the bottom. I guess he was learning how to smooth that out and add on the same bullshit they use to cap teeth with. Not all that long after I noticed a very small crack. Now it's half of my tooth and I can feel it with my tongue. You can also see it now. Bullshit I say
Anyway though, my point was that if all drugs were legal, trafficking drugs wouldn't be illegal, and neither would smuggling. There's about a third of the cartel's crime gone not because of anything other than the legislation. I don't really get the "there will be less crime" angle unless you're only citing secondary crimes to drug offenses, which I'm not 100% convinced would go down anyway.
Portugal should be all the convincing you need. In the last 10 years since all drug were decriminalized (this includes Cocaine and Heroin) , The number of addicts in Portugal has dropped from 100,000 before the decriminalization, to 40,000 10 years later. The number of new cases of HIV spread via needles has decreased more then the number of addicts. I don't have numbers for how many were seeking treatment but 5 years ago that number was doubled. Crime related to theft, murder, and drug related crimes is near the lowest of all European nations. Same goes for Drug use, and spread of HIV...
The numbers are pretty staggering if you actually consider the results. But really it shouldnt be all that surprising. Why? Because this is history repeating itself. The War on Drugs is 100% like the prohibition of Alcohol. What happened when Alcohol was made illegal? Crime spiked, murders spiked, and groups like the mafias had a tremendous amount of power to influence dirty cops and dirty judges and basically had free reign. What happened after prohibition ended? Crime plummeted, the black market on alcohol disappeared, the Mafia had to move to other less profitable ways of making easy money.
Wine your a smart guy. If you really are interested in the effects of ending the War on Drugs... do a little reading on how it worked out for Portugal
this argument makes no sense. i can't think of anyone that has bought illegal/stolen alcohol or cigarettes aside from my grandfather and his peppermint moonshine. wine being on the other side of this one is especially surprising. supply/demand guys
and...if you don't already do heroin, it's not like you would start if it were legal. legality is funny anyways, because there are much worse prescription drugs than most of the illegal shit. the illegal drugs all have politics and/or subculture attached to them. that's why they're illegal, not because they're particularly harmful. i know a lot more people with pill problems than anything else
this argument makes no sense. i can't think of anyone that has bought illegal/stolen alcohol or cigarettes aside from my grandfather and his peppermint moonshine. wine being on the other side of this one is especially surprising. supply/demand guys
I don't really consider myself on a "side," I just don't really understand the argument very well.
The case of cigarettes is that its distribution has been established for over a century. Bootleg alcohol still had a market for years after prohibition. It's no coincidence that your grandfather is the one with illegal alcohol experience.
If you make it a supply/demand issue, it still is a problem, because the demand becomes legal, but the source of supply is still restricted for a long time. You couldn't just walk into a CVS and pick up your heroin. Marijuana is a different case, as the logistics of location/certification for marijuana has been established since its legalization for medical use. The demand restriction would be nearly eliminated, but the supply restriction would still be a major issue.
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Alcohol prohibition is just another form of the war on drugs, and should be considered when discussion decriminalization of controlled substances. Portugal is also incredibly relevant because what they did is exactly what I am proposing the USA does. The results of their legislation has been an overwhelming success.
You're right though Satan. Supply and Demand. Decriminalization of all drugs drastically increases supply which hurts anyone trying to make money off it. Additionally as seen in Portugal, decriminalization also dramatically lowered demand. The legislation and education significantly lowered the demand of controlled substances.
Anyway though, my point was that if all drugs were legal, trafficking drugs wouldn't be illegal, and neither would smuggling. There's about a third of the cartel's crime gone not because of anything other than the legislation. I don't really get the "there will be less crime" angle unless you're only citing secondary crimes to drug offenses, which I'm not 100% convinced would go down anyway.
Portugal should be all the convincing you need. In the last 10 years since all drug were decriminalized (this includes Cocaine and Heroin) , The number of addicts in Portugal has dropped from 100,000 before the decriminalization, to 40,000 10 years later. The number of new cases of HIV spread via needles has decreased more then the number of addicts. I don't have numbers for how many were seeking treatment but 5 years ago that number was doubled. Crime related to theft, murder, and drug related crimes is near the lowest of all European nations. Same goes for Drug use, and spread of HIV...
The numbers are pretty staggering if you actually consider the results. But really it shouldnt be all that surprising. Why? Because this is history repeating itself. The War on Drugs is 100% like the prohibition of Alcohol. What happened when Alcohol was made illegal? Crime spiked, murders spiked, and groups like the mafias had a tremendous amount of power to influence dirty cops and dirty judges and basically had free reign. What happened after prohibition ended? Crime plummeted, the black market on alcohol disappeared, the Mafia had to move to other less profitable ways of making easy money.
Wine your a smart guy. If you really are interested in the effects of ending the War on Drugs... do a little reading on how it worked out for Portugal
I'm not trying to say that there aren't benefits to legalization, I'm saying that I don't think crime decreasing is necessarily the product of legalization, because by definition there are fewer crimes, that's all. Citing the decrease in volume of crime as a credit to legalization is a little ridiculous to me.
The black market on alcohol didn't necessarily disappear after prohibition ended, but it's not the same thing if you ask me. There was no issue of supply with alcohol. There's an issue of supply with drugs. I think the black market 3 years after legalization would have just as much power as they did before legalization. With that said, I wouldn't say that they'd have nearly that amount of power 5 years after legalization.
That is bullshit indeed. You're not supposed to learn a process on an actual person.....
in dentistry they study, then they may do work on some extracted teeth to learn cutting but then they do see patients on a learning level. they patients are aware that they are students and the cost for treatment is minimal. Dentistry is the only healthcare profession where the student has to take and pass 3 written boards and then a clinical board before they can get licensed. Your medical doctors do not take boards to prove their proficiency before they give them a scalpal to cut someone open, your interns in the hospitals are learning doctors... they haven't been doing their jobs that long or do they have much experience in diagnoising medical conditions and illnesses. there are many underlying factors as to why teeth need treatment and what can happen when attempting treatment. Many times have i had to hold a tooth in place in order to clean it because of the patients periodontal condition which is not my fault but the treatment it needs risks the patient losing the tooth in order to properly clean it. patients or their guardians are always informed of such chances before procedures are done. teeth sometimes have weak areas or stress fractures which most people have and these can also affect the areas being drilled and filled. Dawn if your still in SA for college they have the dental school there, check out getting it fixed there. the students are going to do a decent job because every step they do is under scrutiny.
I'm not trying to say that there aren't benefits to legalization, I'm saying that I don't think crime decreasing is necessarily the product of legalization, because by definition there are fewer crimes, that's all. Citing the decrease in volume of crime as a credit to legalization is a little ridiculous to me.
The numbers I was reporting from Portugal separated crimes by type. Obviously it doesnt make sense to compare how many drug arrests there were before and after it was not made illegal. What does make sense though is to compare murders before and after. And thefts before and after... since both of those things are still illegal. Both dropped after decriminalization? Why? Is it just people decided to stop killing each other? Or is it because the decriminalization took away a huge reason for people to kill each other over?
If you make it a supply/demand issue, it still is a problem, because the demand becomes legal, but the source of supply is still restricted for a long time. You couldn't just walk into a CVS and pick up your heroin. Marijuana is a different case, as the logistics of location/certification for marijuana has been established since its legalization for medical use. The demand restriction would be nearly eliminated, but the supply restriction would still be a major issue.
initially. but over time supply wouldnt be an issue... especially with demand plummeting
No motivation to do anything at all Im so down right now. I forgot to set my alarm so i missed a pressentation, have to study for a test Tomorrow over shit Idk, have to type some paper for a nazi grader. I just want to drive somewhere and not come back.
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The numbers are pretty staggering if you actually consider the results. But really it shouldnt be all that surprising. Why? Because this is history repeating itself. The War on Drugs is 100% like the prohibition of Alcohol. What happened when Alcohol was made illegal? Crime spiked, murders spiked, and groups like the mafias had a tremendous amount of power to influence dirty cops and dirty judges and basically had free reign. What happened after prohibition ended? Crime plummeted, the black market on alcohol disappeared, the Mafia had to move to other less profitable ways of making easy money.
Wine your a smart guy. If you really are interested in the effects of ending the War on Drugs... do a little reading on how it worked out for Portugal
and...if you don't already do heroin, it's not like you would start if it were legal. legality is funny anyways, because there are much worse prescription drugs than most of the illegal shit. the illegal drugs all have politics and/or subculture attached to them. that's why they're illegal, not because they're particularly harmful. i know a lot more people with pill problems than anything else
The case of cigarettes is that its distribution has been established for over a century. Bootleg alcohol still had a market for years after prohibition. It's no coincidence that your grandfather is the one with illegal alcohol experience.
If you make it a supply/demand issue, it still is a problem, because the demand becomes legal, but the source of supply is still restricted for a long time. You couldn't just walk into a CVS and pick up your heroin. Marijuana is a different case, as the logistics of location/certification for marijuana has been established since its legalization for medical use. The demand restriction would be nearly eliminated, but the supply restriction would still be a major issue.
You're right though Satan. Supply and Demand. Decriminalization of all drugs drastically increases supply which hurts anyone trying to make money off it. Additionally as seen in Portugal, decriminalization also dramatically lowered demand. The legislation and education significantly lowered the demand of controlled substances.
The black market on alcohol didn't necessarily disappear after prohibition ended, but it's not the same thing if you ask me. There was no issue of supply with alcohol. There's an issue of supply with drugs. I think the black market 3 years after legalization would have just as much power as they did before legalization. With that said, I wouldn't say that they'd have nearly that amount of power 5 years after legalization.
Dawn if your still in SA for college they have the dental school there, check out getting it fixed there. the students are going to do a decent job because every step they do is under scrutiny.