WakeOfAshesPosts: 21,665destroyer of motherfuckers
dont know the details of Obamacare...
Can some one fill me in.
basically... .you know how previously if you couldnt afford healthcare then you didnt have it? Well now they make it a law that if you cant afford healthcare then you must buy it or else. Basically it's a law that if you are poor you must give buckets of money to some private insurance company. :-bd
It does do a couple of good things... Like if you are a student you can be on your parents insurance plan longer. And if you have like say cancer or the aids or something, then the insurance company can't not give you insurance.
If anyone has ever lived w/out healthcare and have had something serious happen and been denied insurance, you would understand why there needs to be something like this. IE, my fucking ass may never walk again cause as soon as I get referred to a specialist they say "What insurance do you have? Oh you don't? Sorry, we can't help you". I even offered a doctor $3,000 in cash to see me for an answer and got denied.
WakeOfAshesPosts: 21,665destroyer of motherfuckers
If anyone has ever lived w/out healthcare and have had something serious happen and been denied insurance, you would understand why there needs to be something like this. IE, my fucking ass may never walk again cause as soon as I get referred to a specialist they say "What insurance do you have? Oh you don't? Sorry, we can't help you". I even offered a doctor $3,000 in cash to see me for an answer and got denied.
Don't misunderstand my negative remarks. I am in complete and 100% agreement that everyone should be entitled to affordable healthcare and that we absolutely need healthcare reform. What I disagree with is that this bill did not address the cancer of the problem, but actually makes it worse by mandating that people buy into a really shitty system.
FACT - If someone has an operation in the USA, and they have great medical coverage (like Bluecroos PPO) they are still required to pay like 15-20% of the cost. Lets just assume that 20% expense for operation X is 800 dollars to the patient. If you go over to other countries that same operation might cost 80 total cost. So why is it that an operation that costs less then 100 dollars elsewhere costs 10,000 dollars here? It's fucked up.
I dont have all the answers. I dont know how to fix the problem... but I know a big part of teh problem is our legal system, predatory insurance companies, and the bureaucracy we've created over the last 100 years. Do I agree that it should be a little more expensive here because we have better doctors and better equipment? Absolutely. But 100 times the amount it should cost??? Get the fuck out.
If you had that much cash whydidnt you buy insurance?
Because insurance companies can deny pre existing conditions unless if you're going to pay about $10,000 or more up front. Medicaid denied me last time I tried because I was only diagnosed as Chronic Regional Pain Syndrome which basically sums up they don't know where my pain came from though a simple blood test showed the lyme and how much it fucked up my body. Now that I am technically dieing from it until they stop it, they MIGHT give it to me. I already got warned though that since I don't have kids, they still might try to deny me.
WakeOfAshesPosts: 21,665destroyer of motherfuckers
Bottom line - I want the system fixed. I don't want a band-aid covering a huge cancer sore that will only eat this country from the inside out. Do I want people like Judy to be able to get healthcare? Fuck yes. and depending on her income she probably shouldnt even have to pay for it. But I want affordable insurance for all which is not something we are even close to getting. fucked up.
drinkwine732Posts: 20,418destroyer of motherfuckers
Bottom line - I want the system fixed. I don't want a band-aid covering a huge cancer sore that will only eat this country from the inside out. Do I want people like Judy to be able to get healthcare? Fuck yes. and depending on her income she probably shouldnt even have to pay for it. But I want affordable insurance for all which is not something we are even close to getting. fucked up.
I disagree. I think this is a good step in the direction towards affordable insurance for all. Here's what I'm thinking.
In order for the United States to implement universal healthcare, as opposed to the now current mandated system, it needs to have complete demand across the market. Once everyone has insurance, there's no going back. It'll be like that forever. People aren't very happy to get things like that taken away from them. Demand for universal healthcare as a system will demand with everyone from the 15k a year minimum wage earners to the 200k capital gains tax guys. That's what you want.
The infrastructure has to be there, and I think that it's getting there, with the increase in health-care reform. Reading up on it now, the expansion of medicaid could find more than 5 million insured, since it can cover people up to 30k for a family of 4. That's fantastic news. I think that it's a matter of time before medicaid grows to assume more beyond that, and with more medicaid expansion will come changes in efficiency. That'd basically make the government be the prime provider of health care to those at or near the poverty line, which is basically the bare essential for a universal system.
Although that would require a political system that wants the best for us.
WakeOfAshesPosts: 21,665destroyer of motherfuckers
Wine if this bill ends up bringing the healthcare reform the we both agree is necessary, then I will eat my words that day and recognize that this bill was important in the progress of our society and the human race. I personally dont believe it will go that route, but I do recognize your opinion and understand why you might believe this.
I do believe that this bill will eat our country from the inside out without the healthcare reform that we both agree is necessary. Do you disagree with that?
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I had a plethora of jerky this past deer season. Every one I work with got a deer. They all do their own jerky. Was awesome
Can some one fill me in.
*goes to Obamacare Thread*
No the Kentucky joke was pretty lame actually. I wasn't born here so I wouldn't have been offended either way
It does do a couple of good things... Like if you are a student you can be on your parents insurance plan longer. And if you have like say cancer or the aids or something, then the insurance company can't not give you insurance.
I guess it'll work it self out somehow. :-??
FACT - If someone has an operation in the USA, and they have great medical coverage (like Bluecroos PPO) they are still required to pay like 15-20% of the cost. Lets just assume that 20% expense for operation X is 800 dollars to the patient. If you go over to other countries that same operation might cost 80 total cost. So why is it that an operation that costs less then 100 dollars elsewhere costs 10,000 dollars here? It's fucked up.
I dont have all the answers. I dont know how to fix the problem... but I know a big part of teh problem is our legal system, predatory insurance companies, and the bureaucracy we've created over the last 100 years. Do I agree that it should be a little more expensive here because we have better doctors and better equipment? Absolutely. But 100 times the amount it should cost??? Get the fuck out.
Sorry it's Judy, I posted under Shane
In order for the United States to implement universal healthcare, as opposed to the now current mandated system, it needs to have complete demand across the market. Once everyone has insurance, there's no going back. It'll be like that forever. People aren't very happy to get things like that taken away from them. Demand for universal healthcare as a system will demand with everyone from the 15k a year minimum wage earners to the 200k capital gains tax guys. That's what you want.
The infrastructure has to be there, and I think that it's getting there, with the increase in health-care reform. Reading up on it now, the expansion of medicaid could find more than 5 million insured, since it can cover people up to 30k for a family of 4. That's fantastic news. I think that it's a matter of time before medicaid grows to assume more beyond that, and with more medicaid expansion will come changes in efficiency. That'd basically make the government be the prime provider of health care to those at or near the poverty line, which is basically the bare essential for a universal system.
Although that would require a political system that wants the best for us.
I do believe that this bill will eat our country from the inside out without the healthcare reform that we both agree is necessary. Do you disagree with that?